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2 flops shoved at me (50NL 6max)

Postby oatmealforxmas » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:39 pm

Two hands where I faced a flop shove to me, and I wasn't sure what to do:

Both of these were a bit donkish and also a bit on the passive side, but not like easy fold passive. AF in the 1.3 area if I recall.

first hand:

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50

Stack sizes:
UTG: $34.04
CO: $94.24
Button: $41.73
SB: $38.80
hero: $98

Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is BB with [7h] [Js]
2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, hero checks.

Flop: [7c] [8c] [7s] ($1.5, 3 players)
SB checks, hero bets $1.5, Button raises to $3, SB calls, hero raises to $10.5, Button raises all-in $41.23, SB folds, hero...

and the second hand is this:

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50

Stack sizes:
UTG: $100
CO: $282.81
Hero: $97.50
SB: $79.95
BB: $49.45

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with [Tc] [Jc]
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $2.5, SB folds, BB calls, CO folds.

Flop: [8c] [3c] [Qh] ($5.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.5, BB raises all-in $46.95, Hero...?
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Postby DoctorHandles » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:49 pm

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Postby Semillon » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:06 pm

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Postby oatmealforxmas » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:20 pm

[12:17] heat517163: i won 26k last month
[12:17] heat517163: and havent bought ANYTHING
[12:17] heat517163: not one thing
[12:17] heat517163: i almost bought a few shirts
[12:17] heat517163: but monicas like
[12:17] heat517163: "you dont need more clothes"
[12:17] heat517163: meh
[12:17] oatsforxmas: ha
[12:17] heat517163: wanted funny shirts
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Postby iamChrisSCHMIDT » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:31 pm

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Postby Semillon » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:38 pm

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Postby oatmealforxmas » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:52 pm

im thinking i should have like 9 outs as long as he doesnt have a pair and a draw. So AcQc/KcQc crush me, but other than those 2 hands i have 9-12 outs right?
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[12:17] heat517163: and havent bought ANYTHING
[12:17] heat517163: not one thing
[12:17] heat517163: i almost bought a few shirts
[12:17] heat517163: but monicas like
[12:17] heat517163: "you dont need more clothes"
[12:17] heat517163: meh
[12:17] oatsforxmas: ha
[12:17] heat517163: wanted funny shirts
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Postby Semillon » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:16 pm

Unless specified otherwise, I would assume the BB could have [Ac]xs.

I find it unlikely they would shove here without the nut flush draw + a pair or something similar.

My instincts would tell me that there is a good chance he has a better flush draw, taking a hand that would be 50/50 under "the best" situation to being a very easy fold, since there is a good chance he has a draw that dominates my own.
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Postby Xaston » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:22 pm

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Postby oatmealforxmas » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:24 pm

nut flush draw doesnt really dominate my hand i dont think, because then my 6 pair outs are live unless he has AcQc.

I ran it and it says I am pretty screwed, but not totally dominated:

He is a 70/30 favorite if he has AcKc
He is a 82/18 favorite if he has AcQc
He is a 53/47 favorite if he has KhQd
He is a 60/40 favorite with 2 pair (Qc8x)
I am a 70/30 favorite if he has 5c6c

So yeah I guess I'm a pretty good dog here. Fold pls.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:02 am

Fold
Fold

Hand 1:
BTNs line is way too strong to be something like a small overpair. You are going to see something like A7 or K7s here very often, and 88 other times.

Hand 2:
This line doesn't look like a naked flush draw. Maybe a pair with flush draw. Either way, I think you're going to be pretty far behind most of the time here. I'd estimate you win this all-in 30% of the time on average.
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Postby RedBarracuda » Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:43 am

hand 1. from the preflop and postflop line I would say button has something like a OESFD here and not A7 or 88.. I would call there..

hand 2. he is raising to $46 with $7 in pot ? I would easily fold...
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