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Postby EscapePlan9 » Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:51 am

Full Tilt Poker Game #3100473537: Table Empress Diamond - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Omaha H/L - 4:42:51 ET - 2007/07/30
Seat 1: squadldr ($11.70)
Seat 2: powderkeg420 ($9.85)
Seat 3: EscapePlan9 ($9.90)
Seat 5: Alokasi ($15.95)
Seat 6: wessticles ($2.50)
Seat 7: enjoue ($3.30)
Seat 8: skinner47 ($2.40)
Seat 9: DaynaLynn ($4.80)
Alokasi posts the small blind of $0.05
wessticles posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to EscapePlan9 [Qc] [Jh] [Qh] [9c]
iconkodiak adds $2
enjoue calls $0.10
skinner47 calls $0.10
DaynaLynn calls $0.10
squadldr calls $0.10
powderkeg420 folds
EscapePlan9 calls $0.10
Alokasi calls $0.05
wessticles checks
*** FLOP *** [7s] [Qd] [6c]
Alokasi checks
wessticles checks
enjoue checks
skinner47 checks
DaynaLynn checks
squadldr checks
EscapePlan9 has 15 seconds left to act
EscapePlan9 bets $0.70
Alokasi folds
wessticles folds
enjoue folds
skinner47 folds
DaynaLynn calls $0.70
squadldr folds
*** TURN *** [7s] [Qd] [6c] [8d]
DaynaLynn checks
iconkodiak has been disconnected
EscapePlan9 bets $2.10
DaynaLynn calls $2.10
*** RIVER *** [7s] [Qd] [6c] [8d] [5h]
iconkodiak has reconnected
DaynaLynn checks
EscapePlan9 bets $6.30
DaynaLynn calls $1.90, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $4.40 returned to EscapePlan9
*** SHOW DOWN ***
EscapePlan9 shows [Qc] [Jh] [Qh] [9c] three of a kind, Queens, for high
DaynaLynn shows [2c] [Td] [Ac] [Kc] Ace King high, for high and 7,6,5,2,A, for low
EscapePlan9 wins the high pot ($4.55) with three of a kind, Queens
DaynaLynn wins the low pot ($4.55) with 7,6,5,2,A

I genuinely do not understand this game. I barely even understand the rules. All I know is I'm getting tired of having top set, full house, flush, etc. splitting the pot with 23 or whatever. I just feel like I'm constantly losing to the rake.

Educate the noob! Where is the value made in O8 when you seem to split like 100% of the time?
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Postby Anders » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:24 am

If the river don't kill you, it ain't PLO
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Postby Kuso » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:09 am

1) you definitely DON'T split 100% of the time.

2) the split part is what makes the variance in this game stupid low

3) you love donks who make this flop call since you get to put them in a pickle on the turn.

4) you love donks who make this flop call since you'll be able to quarter them mercilessly with hands as weak as nut low draw + TP.

5) you love donls who call down your bets like this because they won't push you off your weak hands when drawing one way.


as for analysis, the turn card sucks for you. as you move up, you'll find that you'll be cred here quite a bit with a bare nut low, and you won't know where you're at with your set.

in low-limit nlo8, when you flop a hand on a board like this, sometimes you can just push and get the low draws to come along at an incorrect price (i.e., you're making sklansky bux). as played, you had more equity than you probably thought on each street due to the fact that an A or 2 could screw up his made low.

when there's a low or a low draw out, a lot of your equity in o8 against a "reasonable range" of hands is not going to be that high unless you've got a rare monster (e.g., set + nld). as such, you can gain A LOT of equity in high-only hands and in generating fold equity. at 10nlo8, fold equity can be hard to find, so the other option is to wait for the nuts and charge the hell out of people who can't fold big-looking hands (e.g., bare top set on a low str8 brd when you have a low str8).

that last paragraph wasn't the best written (hey, it's early), so please feel free to ask questions of clarification.
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