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How bad do I suck? What do I do on the river ($200 NL FR)

Postby k3nt » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:20 pm

Villain in hand (BB) is bad. For instance, he called a preflop raise OOP, checkraised the turn and bet/called a shove on the turn against a semi-shortstack (150BB pot I think) with QT on a Qx99x board ... the other guy had T9. But then he rebought and got a pretty big stack when a total moron tried to bluff him off of his A7 on an AAQxx board.

Hero has $279 to start hand, BB covers.

UTG calls, two folds, Hero raises to $11 with [As][Ad], 4 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Pot $34 Flop [2c] [5c] [3d]

BB bets $20, UTG folds, Hero raises to $50, BB calls.

Turn pot $134. [Kh]

BB bets $50, Hero calls

River pot $234. [Ac]

BB bets $100, Hero has $168 left ... and does what?


OK, first thing is, Hero goes back and makes a real raise on the flop. Absolutely unforgiveable how crappy that flop raise is. I'm staring at it and I still can't believe I did it. I can only plead a lack of experience with how fast the numbers get big at the $200 games ... and I promise not to do it again.

So ... should hero shove turn? Or ...?

As played ... would you fold, call or shove the river?
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Postby Zuccala » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:26 pm

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Postby Zuccala » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:27 pm

Put it in on the turn. That looks like a block. Raise flop to $70. That would have made the pot bigger and you would have had a no brainer on the turn.
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Postby black_knight6 » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:49 pm

I shove the turn too...

As played, I puke and call because I suck...but folding is definitely an option. I lean towards folding.
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Postby Devbert » Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:33 am

You should be raising the flop to $100 so you can shove the turn unless it comes a [c].
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Postby Danhdan » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:23 am

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Postby muszu » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:00 am

most people don't lead twice with the flush draw there , at least not after being raised on flop, even if it's a small raise, so i think you might have 2 outed him on the river, or he defended with A4/64 which is an option
It sucks that the river completes the flush, but I think i call this ,because of what I said before, plus you have like 60BB in the pot now
and yes, you might want to push that turn if you are not folding most rivers
if there wasn't a river there wouldn't be any fish
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Postby NorthView » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:06 am

Rewind. Bet more on flop. Shove turn.
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Postby k3nt » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:43 pm

All the responses here are great. Thanks, guys.

muszu makes a comment that is right on target. I called the turn because I couldn't figure out what on earth he could have to bet that strong on the turn that I beat. (I call that turn bet of his "strong" because this guy's a donk.)

Well, if you think about it, you know exactly what he had. He had a big draw on the flop (hence the weak lead and call of the raise) that improved on the turn (hence the bigger lead on the turn).

He had the only hand he could possibly have given the action: [Kc][4c]. And yes I made the call to find out. :x
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