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Postby growlers » Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:36 am

4-8 1/2 kill live game at Red Rock Station.
BB and UTG are passive older players. CO is a bit of a nut job, raises quite a bit preflop and always continuation bets based on maybe 6 or 7 previous preflop raises of his.
I had won the previous two hands with strong holdings but it was only my third orbit, hard to say what my image is. So I have to post $6 since it is a kill pot and the betting is $6-12.

I am in the SB with [Ac] [Ad] Full table , eveyone not noted folded.

UTG limps, CO raises to $12, I flat call to $12, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop ($48 pot):
[Kc] [9c] [7d]

I check, BB and UTG check, CO bets $6, I checkraise to $12, both BB and UTG coldcall the $12, CO calls.

Turn:
[6c]

I check, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks.

River:
[Th]

I bet $12, BB raises to $24, UTG folds, CO folds, I fold.

I don't want to get too wrapped up in the preflop flat call - II obviously 99% of the time raise this, but wanted to abuse the CO and frankly didn't expect the BB to call so thought I'd being seeing the flop three handed with a well disguised hand.
Of course feel free to rip me for it, but I'm more interested in the rest of the hand.
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Postby antneye » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:18 am

This whole hand sets up this way based on the way you handled the pf action. I know it's not your normal play so I won't dwell on it, but you are clearly in this spot because of the way you handled the PF cc.

Your flop play is perfect, but you have to want to scream when they both cc behind you.

The turn is a check/fold with the flush arriving. I suspect one of them was going for the c/raise.

River is the only debate I have. It's really a toss between check/fold (very weak) and bet/fold. I think I bet/fold also, but its pretty thin.

All in all you really need to raise the flop. It is much better to play it straight then to try to get fancy just to punish a maniac. Don't think so much.
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Postby Derf » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:44 pm

I think you give up too much preflop by calling with 2 people with money already committed--especially since you have won the prior 2 pots. They may be less likely to put you on a monster, and think you are just playing a rush, or trying to run over the table, or whatever...but I think this is a pretty good spot to just play a monster fast.

Anyway, I think you should bet the turn. Yeah, the cold calls on the flop look scary, but lots of loose bad players will call 2 cold on the flop with hands of which you are still ahead. If you check call 1 bet on the turn, is your plan to check fold unimproved on the river?

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Postby MTPaid » Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:54 pm

If you're 100% on the end then I guess you can fold, but getting about 11-1 I think (just quickly scanned so I could be wrong on River) you have to be just about 100% and never be wrong. I, too, think that you're beat, but I don't know that I'd be able to fold in this large a pot. Otherwise I don't have any problems with the postflop play.

Ok, I checked again - $48 preflop + $48 flop + $36 river = $132 so 11-1 is right I think.
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