Two turn decisions NL200 6max

[Monkey]

UTG ($114.95)
Button ($293.95) - 30/20/3 after about 40 hands
SB ($55.85)
Hero ($260.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
1 fold, Button raises to $7, SB calls $6, Hero calls $5.

Flop: ($21) , , (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $15, SB folds, Hero raises to $60, Button calls $45.

Turn: ($141)




Button ($242.65)
SB ($196)
BB ($191)
UTG ($151.65)
MP ($200) - just sat down, not seen him before
Hero ($209)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
1 fold, MP raises to $8, Hero raises to $28, 3 folds, MP calls $20.

Flop: ($59) , , (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $44, MP calls $44.

Turn: ($147) (2 players)
MP checks

I can't really see folding either, so shove both? (and re-raise pre in #1!)

[Triple B]

Hand 1 you could shove or just bet/call 100.

Hand 2 shove looks good.

[T-Rod]

Hand 1) I think button is surely drawing with some A[s] or K[s]. I probably bet 100 but if I've been running cold, I just shove. He'd drawing to 7.5 outs since he loses some outs by the board pairing.

Hand 2) I don't really like a shove there without a read.

You reraise preflop and get called.

You bet the flop and get ck/called.

Right now some alarms are going off in my head. I'm less inclined to give him credit for a flush draw since he was the pfr and called a RR. Right now you are losing to AA and QQ and it's hard for me to see JJ calling any shove.

So I'm probably checking the turn because I can get JJ/TT to call a river bet that way and I feel I'm more likely to be WA or WB right now.

[NorthView]

Hand 1 - I much prefer betting the flop. As played, bet/call the turn.

Hand 2 - you're pretty much committed when you bet the flop, so get the rest in now (wp)

[Zuccala]

[iceman5]

WOW. Every hand I see posted lately I just want to pull my hair out when I see responses. Maybe its just a matter of different styles. Im really trying to make sense of some of this stuff to see if I need to make adjustments, but I just dont see it.

Hand #1)

a) I dont even know what "bet/call 100" means.
b) Why does everyone want to check raise the flop with their strong hands? What happened to "lead with a set"? Nobody does it so you should be doing it so he cant put you on a hand. The raiser is going to check behind alot of the time here. You let him or the SB hit a flush for free. I think leading out is a must here.
c) As played, I would never check the turn. Saying that the only hand that calls you is one that beats you , on this board is just insane. For the love of god, please bet the turn here. $100 or more.
d) You built a big pot with the check raise, do you want to just give it away now by checking the turn and letting him hit with [Qd] or [Kh] or whatever he called a check raise with? If he flopped a flush so be it. Bet / call an all in.

Hand #2) AA and QQ beat you. Theres a decent chance he has one of those. I think THIS is one of those spots where you only get called by a hand that beats you if you shove. Hes not calling a shove with JJ or lower unless hes an idiot. AQ might, but AQ will also bet any river if you check behind. The flush draw is a little scary but I usually ignore a flush in raised and reraised pot. Nothing wrong with pushing here because the pot is already big enough so if he folds its no big deal, and if he has AA / QQ, youre not folding to his river bet anyway......but I can see a check behind also.

Hmm...Zuccala didnt specify which hand his comments are for so I hope they are for #2.

[Monkey]

I check-raised the first hand because I hadn't seen a flop he hadn't bet at yet, though I didn't say so in the original post.
Leading into the raiser is great and I should do it with more stuff as they often just fold.

I overbet the turn with my set, he had baby spades. No river FH. (The reverse situation happened soon after - he rivered a FH then of course.)

Hand 2, river was nothing, he bets, I call and see AA. This may even be fold-able, as often I think AQ will look for a showdown. I'd probably shove the river if he checked again though.

[Subzero_Wins]

check raising the flop in hand one when you arent the preflop raiser and there is a player in between the preflop raiser and you is pretty standard imo

[Triple B]