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I must really suck at this game (PLO8)

Postby MTPaid » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:28 pm

Again, are these hands a case of me not knowing half of what I thought I did at this game or is this just a factor of Full Tilt being rigged?

Hand 1: I didn't play the AAxx high hand hard preflop, but did after I flopped the set, right?

$0.1/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
8 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($9.35)
UTG+1 ($29.45)
Hero ($5.80)
MP2 ($12.15)
CO ($6.65)
BTN ($22.90)
SB ($75.00)
BB ($6.35)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 8 players) Hero is MP1 [Jc][Ks][Ad][Ah]
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25 ($29.20), Hero calls $0.25 ($5.55), 2 folds, BTN calls $0.25 ($22.65), 1 fold, BB checks ($6.10)
ImageImageImageImage 50.20% (EV = $0.30)
ImageImageImageImage 49.80% (EV = $0.30)

Flop: [3h][Ac][Jd] ($1.1, 4 players)
BB checks ($6.10), UTG+1 checks ($29.20), Hero bets $1.1 ($4.45), 1 fold, BB calls $1.1 ($5.00), UTG+1 folds ($29.20)
ImageImageImageImage 48.30% (EV = $0.49)
ImageImageImageImage 51.70% (EV = $0.61)

Turn: [5c] ($3.3, 2 players)
BB checks ($5.00), Hero bets $3.3 ($1.15), BB goes all-in $5 ($0.00), Hero calls $1.15 ($0.00)
ImageImageImageImage 90.00% (EV = $6.48)
ImageImageImageImage 10.00% (EV = -$3.17)

River: [4d] ($12.75, 2 players)
ImageImageImageImage 100.00% (EV = $12.75)
ImageImageImageImage 0.00% (EV = $0.00)

Final Pot: $12.20
BB shows: [2c][Jh][4h][6d]
Hero shows: [Jc][Ks][Ad][Ah]

BB wins $12.15 ( won +$5.8 )
UTG+1 lost -$0.25
Hero lost -$5.80
BTN lost -$0.25


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Hand 2: I really think I played this one well, but does anyone consider folding after the bet and raise in front of me? I don't really have anything on opponents, but I thought I had enough backup with the mediocre flush draw + the medium backup low card to push this flop.

$0.1/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
9 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($12.55)
UTG+1 ($6.30)
MP1 ($28.60)
Hero ($7.90)
MP3 ($10.95)
CO ($8.55)
BTN ($22.45)
SB ($49.85)
BB ($75.90)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 9 players) Hero is MP2 [Ad][9s][3s][5h]
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25 ($6.05), 1 fold, SB says "lol" ($49.75), Hero calls $0.25 ($7.65), 2 folds, BTN calls $0.25 ($22.20), SB calls $0.15 ($49.60), BB checks ($75.65)
ImageImageImageImage 36.70% (EV = $0.21)
ImageImageImageImage 42.00% (EV = $0.27)
ImageImageImageImage 21.30% (EV = $0.02)

Flop: [8s][2s][Th] ($1.25, 5 players)
SB bets $0.25 ($49.35), 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2 ($4.05), Hero raises to $7.5 ($0.15), 1 fold, SB raises to $25.75 ($23.60), UTG+1 calls $4.05 ($0.00), Hero calls $0.15 ($0.00)
ImageImageImageImage 33.10% (EV = $7.42)
ImageImageImageImage 55.30% (EV = $14.86)
ImageImageImageImage 11.60% (EV = -$21.03)

Turn: [5s] ($40.7, 3 players)
ImageImageImageImage 4.20% (EV = $1.71)
ImageImageImageImage 89.60% (EV = $36.47)
ImageImageImageImage 6.20% (EV = $2.52)

River: [2h] ($40.7, 3 players)
ImageImageImageImage 0.00% (EV = $0.00)
ImageImageImageImage 50.00% (EV = $11.30)
ImageImageImageImage 50.00% (EV = $11.30)

Final Pot: $22.60
UTG+1 shows: [Tc][Jh][Qc][8c]
Hero shows: [Ad][9s][3s][5h]
SB shows: [5c][3d][2d][Td]

Hero wins $10.7 ( won +$2.8 )
SB wins $28.9 ( won +$2.9 )
UTG+1 lost -$6.30
BTN lost -$0.25
BB lost -$0.25

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Hand 3: NFD + bottom end of OESD + BD nut low draw. Am I wrong to like my hand this much here in position on the flop? And am I wrong not to bet when the turn card is hideous to all my draws?

$0.25/$0.5 Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
9 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($29.05)
UTG+1 ($24.45)
MP1 ($32.60)
Hero ($21.80)
MP3 ($45.00)
CO ($19.85)
BTN ($18.25)
SB ($17.95)
BB ($54.65)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is MP2 [Ac][6h][7c][2s]
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.5 ($32.10), Hero calls $0.5 ($21.30), 3 folds, SB calls $0.25 ($17.45), BB checks ($54.15)

Flop: [8d][9c][Qc] ($2, 4 players)
SB checks ($17.45), BB checks ($54.15), MP1 bets $1.5 ($30.60), Hero raises to $6 ($15.30), SB folds ($17.45), BB folds ($54.15), MP1 calls $4.5 ($26.10)

Turn: [Qd] ($14, 2 players)
MP1 checks ($26.10), Hero checks ($15.30)

River: [9s] ($14, 2 players)
MP1 bets $4.5 ($21.60), Hero folds ($15.30)

Final Pot: $14

MP1 wins $17.8 ( won +$6.8 )
BB lost -$0.50
Hero lost -$6.50
SB lost -$0.50

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Hand 4: Should I have slown down on the flop? I thought I might scare away a smaller flush while holding [Ac] and I still had the nut low draw. Should I have checked the flop or given up turn? Or is this just dumb full tilt luck that SB holds a very unlikely A3 also in combination with the 2nd nut flush?

$0.25/$0.5 Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
9 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($28.20)
UTG+1 ($39.20)
MP1 ($28.05)
MP2 ($29.20)
MP3 ($40.05)
Hero ($15.50)
BTN ($44.00)
SB ($18.35)
BB ($17.75)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is CO [Ad][Ac][3s][3d]
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.5 ($38.70), 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.25 ($13.25), 1 fold, SB calls $2 ($16.10), 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1.75 ($36.95)
ImageImageImageImage 68.50% (EV = $2.72)
ImageImageImageImage 31.50% (EV = $0.03)

Flop: [4c][Kc][2c] ($7.25, 3 players)
SB checks ($16.10), UTG+1 checks ($36.95), Hero bets $7.25 ($6.00), SB calls $7.25 ($8.85), UTG+1 folds ($36.95)
ImageImageImageImage 16.80% (EV = -$3.60)
ImageImageImageImage 83.20% (EV = $10.85)

Turn: [Qc] ($21.75, 2 players)
SB checks ($8.85), Hero goes all-in $6 ($0.00), SB calls $6 ($2.85)
ImageImageImageImage 9.40% (EV = -$2.83)
ImageImageImageImage 90.60% (EV = $24.58)

River: [9h] ($33.75, 2 players)
ImageImageImageImage 0.00% (EV = $0.00)
ImageImageImageImage 100.00% (EV = $33.75)

Final Pot: $33.75
Hero shows: [Ad][Ac][3s][3d]
SB shows: [6s][Ah][3c][Jc]

SB wins $32.1 ( won +$16.6 )
UTG+1 lost -$2.25
Hero lost -$15.50
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Postby JDLush » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:20 pm

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Postby TomG » Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:20 pm

Hand 3... Be careful raising this flop. If you're up against the nuts (JTxx) you're not going to be a favorite. If you raise, it will allow the nuts to come over the top and price you into the rest of the hand as a dog. I prefer a flat call on the flop. It's clearly +EV and you have position on the bettor. Raising allows MP1 to re-raise and remove his positional disadvantage from the hand by getting you to commit most of your chips up front as a dog. The fact that he didn't come over the top to your re-raise makes me think he is either 1) has the nuts and is afraid of the nuts+redraw 2) holding a set. So on the turn he is either scared shitless or sandbagging. Hopefully you have a read, but if not the safe thing to do is give up and checker down.

Hand 4... standard. Pot pre-flop. Pot flop. You are then committed by that point.

Hands 1 and 2 aren't very interesting since you're short.
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Postby MTPaid » Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:39 pm

Probably shoulda mentioned that 1st 2 hands are $25PL08 and last 2 are $50PLO8. Not much game selection so I took what was available at either level. I bought in for 30BB at each level.

On hand 3, does the possibility of JT outway the importance of knocking out the blinds who might counter my live straight or backdoor low draws?

JD, now I'm a bit confused. You say to raise with AAKJ, but I thought that advice given previously from other posters was not to overplay AAxx high only hands preflop.
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Postby Kuso » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:30 am

wwcrd?

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Postby MTPaid » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:15 pm

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Postby JDLush » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:22 am

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