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Postby Pok 7's » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:54 pm

Hey TAGfish,
You don't bet with the 40% of your hand range that has the most equity in a situation where you bet 40% of the time. You probably attempt to "balance your range" in spots that SHOULD NOT BE BALANCED.

Ok this one is pretty tough for me to explain, and I've been trying to put it into words for a WHILE. Imagine a K52 rainbow flop where the cutoff opened for pot preflop and you called on the button. If the cutoff is a TAGfish it is very likely he will bet 100% of his range here and only call a TINY percentage of the time if you make a small raise. When they do call, their range is very skewed towards hands that have a lot of equity. Because of this, raising a large percentage of the time will be extremely profitable. TAGfish don't adjust so if you have a perfectly balanced range here you are burning money INSANE money. I used to think that the most profitable thing to do here was to balance my range. If I was only going to raise 3 hands for value, (22, 55, KK) I would raise exactly that same number of combinations as bluffs. Obviously the ratios vary greatly from player to player, but now there are definitely players you should raise 5x as often with hands worse than KT or K9 than with those better. The way I select those hands is by picking the ones that have the most equity if called. For example, A3 > K8 > 98. Because A3 has 4 times as much equity against a range of (KK+, 55, 22, K5s, K9+), you should be 4x as inclined to raise A3 as 98 here. Many TAGfish do not realize the massive differences between these hands and see both as just a no pair hand.



WTF? I must be doing something wrong.. I plugged A3 into PS and it showed A3 had about 24% equity against that range.. K8 had about 12-13.. Where is this 4x as much equity against this range?

Can someone explain this is good old BTP speak to me? (i.e. as if I were a grade schooler)

Whole thread is here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showt ... p?t=146616

LOL @ Pok for not understanding
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Postby Xaston » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:00 pm

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby gsdavid » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:00 pm

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:22 pm

He said A3 has 4x as much equity than 98, not K8.

That's actually a really good post.
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Postby DoctorHandles » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:31 pm

Yo Xaston/whoever else is one of those major button callers,

do you guys raise hands like KQss if CO raised and you called on the button and got a 26Qr flop? Right now my raise/calling range is something like [22,66] on that flop and I raise it a ton with air, so my range is horribly unbalanced I'm just not sure if it matters.

*Extra Credit*

Same as above, only you're CO and the button raised you and you have air. Say it's NL$100 and you bet $6.25 and he 3-bet to $18.5. If you think he's FOS, do you guys call and hope to check/check the turn and re-steal on river or are you guys 3-betting him on on the flop?
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Postby gsdavid » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:19 pm

Quite good link actually. I still do make several of the mistakes he listed, so it was a nice reminder on what I have still to improve on.
tnx
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Postby Xaston » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:22 pm

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby black_knight6 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:29 pm

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:41 pm

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby black_knight6 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:47 pm

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Postby DoctorHandles » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:49 pm

The better player should win the race. Always.
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Postby gsdavid » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:59 pm

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:10 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby NorthView » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:39 am

I get the same. Looks like his pokerstove went into meltdown. Anyway the principle stands.
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Postby redhouse » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:59 am

{ KK+, 55, 22, K9s+, K5s, K9o+ }

I think he meant K5s+

I get 94-6 using that
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