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JJ OOP and passive (600NL SH)

Postby Triple B » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:26 pm

Villain in this hand is a decent aggro reg. He is a tighter than average TAG, 19/14ish, but is more aggro than most postflop. I think his agg factor is almost 5, but its less than 1000 hand sample and my sample is a few months old on him I think. I'm pretty sure I've seen him post on cardrunners' forum.

Stacks:
UTG ($178.55)
CO ($582.00)
BTN ($1185.00)
SB ($805.70)
Hero ($597.85)

Pre-flop: ($9, 5 players) Hero is BB [Js][Jc]
UTG calls $6, 1 fold, BTN bets $27, 1 fold, Hero calls $21, UTG folds

I decide to just flat here because UTG is a donk and I want him in the hand. I'm still undecided if I like this play or not, as I can put myself in some tough spots OOP with JJ. I just hate isolating a good player and shutting out a bad one, but maybe I should be more worried about protecting my stack from the reg than the donk's measly $178?

Flop: [Tc][5h][5c] ($63, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $44, Hero calls $44.

I think I should probably check/raise here (honestly I can't remember why I didn't) but I don't think its mandatory...thoughts?

Turn: [Qs] ($151, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $110, Hero calls $110.

I think villain is double barrelling this card a decent amount so I decide right here to call and call most rivers. He can't really put me on anything good here - something like JT or maybe clubs. I don't see raising here as a good option.

River: [2d] ($371, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $282, Hero calls $282.

Anyway, I think my line is fine if I was in position. OOP I think I might get owned a lot taking a passive line like this. But I kinda think once I just c/c the flop I have set up my line to induce barrels from villain so I am obligated to call down here. Thoughts??
Villain: Why?
Villain: How?
Me: I had a feeling
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Postby DoctorHandles » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:38 pm

The better player should win the race. Always.
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Postby Twelver » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:32 am

Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

Heat517163 (5:05:37 PM): black people man
Heat517163 (5:05:40 PM): they travel in packs
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Postby Triple B » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:18 am

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Villain: How?
Me: I had a feeling
Villian: Sit in you cretin
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Postby Triple B » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:26 am

Villain: Why?
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Villian: Sit in you cretin
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Postby Triple B » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:35 am

Villain: Why?
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Postby Triple B » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:44 am

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Postby hard2tel » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:47 am

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Postby black_knight6 » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:00 am

This is just from looking at OP:

I think I really prefer to just 3b here vs the button. I like my hand, and want to take away his positional advantage as much as I can here. If UTG were squeeze-happy in this spot (i.e., likely to just limp-squeeze-SHOVE), then I love a call expecting BTN to fold and you can snap call (if btn calls, you might have to fold). But, I think I like the 3b here because you should be more concerned w/ BTN and the many bad flops for JJ.

Flop: Oh yes, plz plz CR here. I CR here with basically any 2 that I called with, so I need to do it with the top of my range too...so, CR here is v good and standard. I don't like just calling because it's going to be hard to get money in later unless he actually has a hand...however, if you CR, he can read you for a bluff and shove a fairly wide range (which you're calling).

Turn: As played, gotta call here if he's capable of 2 barreling. That's a decent card for him to bet, so your hand could very well be good.

River: The draws missed, and he may be firing a 3rd bullet (maybe he can't beat A high), so you should call here too.


But, I REALLY want to see a flop CR if you're not going to 3b pf.
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