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Postby iceman5 » Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:25 am

$1/$2 NL 6 max

Villain is one of the LAGGiest players in this game. He plays about 29/24 or so. I dont have enough hands with him to know how good he is but he runs over most tables so Im sure he must be a winner.

He raises to $6 which is a bit wierd. He normally just pots it which would be $7.

I call in the BB with [7d][5d] HU. I have $190 and he covers.

Pot $13. Flop [Ks][3d][8d]. I check and he checks behind.
Pot $13. Turn [Qc]. I lead $8. He raises to $33. I have the feeling he has nothing here and Im going to 3 bet him. What the correct amount to risk the least while getting him to fold the most often?
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Postby Triple B » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:50 pm

Villain: Why?
Villain: How?
Me: I had a feeling
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Postby Aisthesis » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:53 am

Ok, makes sense.

Anyhow, I think several things vindicate the betting out on the flop (and specifically the PF call): He's one of those who will raise AJ (which is probably about even money against your hand). Against that guy, I'd push the draw, and surely then he does fold AJ--and you just won a pot that's plenty big to justify the PF call without even making your draw.

I think LAGs are great for playing SCs even OOP precisely because you can get a decent size pot going, then pull the trigger with a shove on the draw and usually take it down there because they'll have no more ability to take it away from you. And if they do have an acceptable call hand, you have your outs as backup plan.

P.S.: I'm glad NOBODY at the 50s will raise AJ on that board. I'd definitely have to change some of my plays... :)
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Postby black_knight6 » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:55 pm

I dunno, I just like to have an idea what I'm going to do on a variety of general flop textures when I make a call - especially OOP. Mostly, it's going to be to CR because I know that I'm not going to hit a hand often enough to make the call +EV, so I have to make plays at the pot pretty often.

I've already explained why I think the pf call isn't great, and not having a plan, IMO, makes it worse.
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