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Postby chuckwhoolery » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:41 am

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Postby chuckwhoolery » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:03 am

So shortly after I read this I sat at NL10 for 16 hands and actually came up with a couple examples of how to play these n00bs

Reads: 3 of the 5 opponents were the type of fishes we are talking about and 2 were johnny naked types with a mildly better understanding of the game, prolly raking in the microlimit bux (dezzzed and chessmann_68).

Earnings: we made 5$ 1/2 a BI and on track for a what? 10,000bb/100 winrate or some such nonsense.

hands:

Dealt to agtcool [7h Jd]
chessmann_68: calls $0.10
agtcool: raises $0.20 to $0.30
deZZZed: folds
0-Jasper-0: folds
jso827: folds
Shippunk: calls $0.20
chessmann_68: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [5c 2c 5d]
Shippunk: checks
chessmann_68: checks
agtcool: bets $0.80
Shippunk: calls $0.80
chessmann_68: folds
*** TURN *** [5c 2c 5d] [9d]
Shippunk: checks
agtcool: bets $1.80
Shippunk: folds
agtcool collected $2.45 from pot
agtcool: doesn't show hand

Paired flops like this are perfect to bluff on at these limits and one flop bet will tell you where you are at in the hand. He has an over pair your getting raised, he has a draw he's just calling. Timing also plays a part...if he still calls, but it takes 10 years he still might have an overpair anyway and we can bet if an over hits or give up on the hand. This hand he snapcalled the .80$ so pretty obviously a flush draw...we bet him off on the turn notice the almost full pot bet (1.80 so the bet looks bigger than it would if we bet 2$...this makes a diff at these stakes). He folded and we won the pot

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to agtcool [Ah Ac]
0-Jasper-0: raises $0.20 to $0.30
jso827: folds
Shippunk: folds
chessmann_68: calls $0.30
agtcool: raises $0.60 to $0.90
deZZZed: folds
0-Jasper-0: folds
chessmann_68: folds
agtcool collected $1 from pot
agtcool: doesn't show hand

No BS preflop w/ AA...we dont want to have a big multiway pot here, and w/ the EP raise we might get action...They all fold, we win pot.

Dealt to agtcool [Js Td]
jso827: folds
Shippunk: calls $0.10
chessmann_68: calls $0.10
agtcool: calls $0.10
deZZZed: folds
0-Jasper-0: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 4c 8d]
0-Jasper-0: checks
Shippunk: checks
chessmann_68: checks
agtcool: bets $0.40
0-Jasper-0: folds
Shippunk: folds
chessmann_68: folds
agtcool collected $0.45 from pot
agtcool: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***

Again paired board, no draws, its safe to bluff this one.
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Postby johnnie_naked » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:10 am

Hand 1 is beyond horrible.

Hand 2 is standard, but you could try cold calling and getting his money.[edit: never saw the third guy at first. Raise is too small make it 3-4x plus 1 caller-->1.20-1.50]

Hand 3 is also pretty bad.


The fact is you arent going to make money at these limits by bluffing. You stand to lose a LOT of money by bluffing. You are going to make money by value betting when we are ahead and folding when you fall behind.


If you never bluffed at NL10, you would save a shitload of $.
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Postby chuckwhoolery » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:23 am

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Postby tommyhawk » Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:12 am

Now who's journal is this again??

Great way to lose serious posters.
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Postby RedBarracuda » Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:47 am

jeez... you really do destroy every NL thread chuck..
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:56 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby JimmyJet » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:00 am

This whole thread is very tl;dr but to the original poster, whom I feel slightly sorry for having his genuine post hijacked by a load of old bullshit, I'd highly recommend listening to the Skypecast that Excession did with Roy and Twelver.

There's a section on that Skypecast that Roy speaks exclusively about continuation betting and imo you'd struggle to find any information that's clearer or more useful on any forum on that particular subject.
Mekos King (11:56:46 AM): LOL@NVobv
Mekos King (11:57:02 AM): circumstances are all conspiring perfectly
Mekos King (11:57:07 AM): to get ole NV to snuffit
Mekos King (11:57:14 AM): but the salty old tsr just refuses to
Mekos King (11:57:26 AM): goot thing guns are illegal id say
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