ZeKGB calls 3 times and then check raises when the flush hit

[Xaston]

PokerStars Game #16175620824: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/03/22 - 20:09:33 (ET)
Table 'Sita IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ZeKGB ($680.70 in chips)
Seat 2: JPBel ($321.95 in chips)
Seat 3: VelkaBukva ($216.85 in chips)
Seat 4: TalentedTom ($400.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Xaston ($400 in chips)
ZeKGB: posts small blind $2
JPBel: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Xaston [X X]
VelkaBukva: folds
TalentedTom: folds
Xaston: raises $8 to $12
ZeKGB: calls $10
JPBel: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 5s Js]
ZeKGB: checks
Xaston: bets $20
ZeKGB: calls $20
*** TURN *** [3h 5s Js]
BIGEUG333 joins the table at seat #6
ZeKGB: checks
Xaston: bets $44
ZeKGB: calls $44
*** RIVER *** [3h 5s Js Kc]
ZeKGB: checks
Xaston: bets $111
ZeKGB: raises $485 to $596

What do we have? What should I do?

[chuckwhoolery]

I call if I have KQ beat...I guess you have AK/AJ/KJ KJ would be my official guess

[black_knight6]

[iwanturcoin]

[Twelver]

You literally could have any 2 here. THe K is the perfect card to double barrel and I don't know anything about his game but if he is halfway decent he knows this. On the river, I am guessing he decided to turn some sort of made hand into a bluff. These games are way to aggressiive for him to be check calling 2 streets with just a flush draw. I think the only way he shows up with a flush here is if he has the in his hand.

[Stoneburg]

I don't get it. He's repping a flush, right? So you should call if you have a flush yourself. Preferably not a low one.

If someone does that to me, they're only bluffing if they're complete maniacs (in which case I have a read on them most of the time). >90% of players are not bluffing here, so I need a flush to call them. Fortunately, my betting is consistent with [Ks] so I happily call with the nuts (and lose to the God High Flush obviously).

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[hard2tel]

[Xaston]

[black_knight6]

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[ua1176]

this depends on like 8 million things and you give close to no info.

if he's a standard, transparent loose/passive fish, or a supernit, then this is always a flush and you should fold anything that's not a big flush.

if he's a TAGfish then this is a flush, 64 or a marginal hand turned bluff, and sometimes a set or 2 pair that he's doing something with that he might not quite understand. so call all flushes, straights, and rarely but maybe sometimes others.

if he's a competent player, then this is sometimes a flush, a bluff, 64, Jx-turned-bluff, maybe a set, and you're not gonna be able to put him on specific hands.

your value-bet range for 3-barreling is a lot of flushes, 64, A4, KJ, 53, AK/KQ, and then obviously you bluff/turn marginal hands into bluffs at something that you hope is a game theoretically appropriate frequency. im also assuming you're not betting KJ, 53, and AK/KQ 100% of the time, so we'll discount some combos there.

so i'd have to do some math that i dont want to do at 1am, but vs a competent/tricky regular then you should probably call the majority of your value-betting range. all flushes, straights, and a significant (but not huge) % of the other hands.

[black_knight6]

...results

[Xaston]

Results:

He had TT and I had A4 and called.

[black_knight6]

What's his deal?

[Xaston]