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[briachek]

Some hands from last night. Converter doesn't work so i'm just putting in HH's

Hand 1

***** Hand History for Game 2419794218 *****
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0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Mon Jul 25 00:26:23 EDT 2005
Table Table 37092 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Taylor40 ( $26.45)
Seat 3: Dartelum ( $41.90)
Seat 4: R8794581 ( $52.01)
Seat 5: DueceSpade ( $14.55)
Seat 7: BlunderLAF7 ( $58.45)
Seat 9: Dudi10 ( $25)
Seat 10: briachek ( $25.25)
Taylor40 posts small blind (0.10)
Dartelum posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek [ Th, Ts, Ah, 3s ]
R8794581 folds.
DueceSpade folds.
BlunderLAF7 folds.
Dudi10 calls (0.25)
briachek calls (0.25)
Taylor40 folds.
Dartelum raises (0.25) to 0.50
Dudi10 calls (0.25)
briachek calls (0.25)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, Jd, Tc ]
Dartelum checks.
Dudi10 bets (1.60)
briachek calls (1.60)
Dartelum folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ]
Dudi10 bets (3)
briachek raises (9) to 9
Dudi10 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $16.30 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ 8c Jd Tc 2c ]
Taylor40 balance $26.35, lost $0.10 (folded)
Dartelum balance $41.40, lost $0.50 (folded)
R8794581 balance $52.01, didn't bet (folded)
DueceSpade balance $14.55, didn't bet (folded)
BlunderLAF7 balance $58.45, didn't bet (folded)
Dudi10 balance $19.90, lost $5.10 (folded)
briachek balance $30.45, bet $11.10, collected $16.30, net +$5.20

I figure Dudi for the straight but his weak lead on the turn was screaming that he hated the flush so I made a move at it. He thought for a LONG time and folded. Comments?

Hand 2

***** Hand History for Game 2419684191 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Mon Jul 25 00:06:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 37481 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: BlunderLAF7 ( $35.90)
Seat 4: chaohungma ( $28.25)
Seat 5: repulsive ( $39.15)
Seat 6: olafberzerk ( $23.40)
Seat 7: sangrefrio ( $22.30)
Seat 8: briachek ( $24.75)
Seat 9: codebags ( $46.55)
Seat 10: keycon ( $32.55)
briachek posts small blind (0.10)
codebags posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek [ 9h, Kh, Ks, 8d ]
keycon calls (0.25)
BlunderLAF7 folds.
chaohungma folds.
repulsive folds.
olafberzerk calls (0.25)
sangrefrio folds.
briachek calls (0.15)
codebags checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 3h, 7h ]
briachek checks.
codebags checks.
keycon bets (0.35)
olafberzerk calls (0.35)
briachek raises (2.40) to 2.40
codebags folds.
keycon calls (2.05)
olafberzerk raises (10.25) to 10.60
briachek folds.
keycon folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $16 | Rake: $0.40
Board: [ 2h 3h 7h ]
DueceSpade balance $10, sits out
BlunderLAF7 balance $35.90, didn't bet (folded)
chaohungma balance $28.25, didn't bet (folded)
repulsive balance $39.15, didn't bet (folded)
olafberzerk balance $28.55, bet $10.85, collected $16, net +$5.15
sangrefrio balance $22.30, didn't bet (folded)
briachek balance $22.10, lost $2.65 (folded)
codebags balance $46.30, lost $0.25 (folded)
keycon balance $29.90, lost $2.65 (folded)

He called the weak bet on the flop and then max raised my check raise. Easy fold correct?

Hand 3

***** Hand History for Game 2419410942 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Sun Jul 24 23:19:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 37517 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: HCStick ( $34.86)
Seat 2: jagubhai ( $29.07)
Seat 3: killer4277 ( $11.75)
Seat 4: MSUspartan76 ( $32.92)
Seat 5: cmsax2 ( $18.40)
Seat 6: briachek ( $25)
Seat 8: tminos ( $25.88)
Seat 9: ReeceLHinze ( $44.89)
Seat 10: Cooker302000 ( $12.80)
jagubhai posts small blind (0.10)
killer4277 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek [ As, 9c, Jh, 9s ]
MSUspartan76 calls (0.25)
cmsax2 calls (0.25)
briachek calls (0.25)
tminos did not respond in time.
tminos folds.
ReeceLHinze calls (0.25)
Cooker302000 calls (0.25)
HCStick calls (0.25)
jagubhai calls (0.15)
killer4277 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5d, 4h, Ks ]
jagubhai checks.
killer4277 checks.
MSUspartan76 checks.
cmsax2 checks.
briachek checks.
ReeceLHinze checks.
Cooker302000 checks.
HCStick checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ts ]
jagubhai checks.
killer4277 bets (1.90)
MSUspartan76 folds.
cmsax2 calls (1.90)
briachek calls (1.90)
ReeceLHinze folds.
Cooker302000 raises (11.40) to 11.40
HCStick folds.
jagubhai folds.
killer4277 raises (9.60) to 11.50
killer4277 is all-In.
cmsax2 calls (9.60)
briachek folds.
Cooker302000 calls (0.10)
Creating Main Pot with $36.50 with killer4277
** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
cmsax2 checks.
Cooker302000 checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $36.50 | | Rake: $1.90
Board: [ 5d 4h Ks Ts 4c ]
HCStick balance $34.61, lost $0.25 (folded)
jagubhai balance $28.82, lost $0.25 (folded)
killer4277 balance $36.50, bet $11.75, collected $36.50, net +$24.75 [ 2c Jc Kh Kc ] [ a full house, Kings full of fours -- Kh,Kc,Ks,4h,4c ]
MSUspartan76 balance $32.67, lost $0.25 (folded)
cmsax2 balance $6.65, lost $11.75 [ Qc 7c Ah 8c ] [ a pair of fours with ace kicker -- Ah,Ks,Qc,4h,4cAh(kicker card) ]
briachek balance $25, lost $2.15 (folded)
HSAKA balance $25, sits out
tminos balance $25.88, didn't bet (folded)
ReeceLHinze balance $44.64, lost $0.25 (folded)
Cooker302000 balance $1.05, lost $11.75 [ 6h 8d Qh Jd ] [ a pair of fours -- Ks,Qh,Jd,4h,4c ]

I'm obviously behind here but with so much action, should I have called to catch my gutshot or flush draw?

Hand 4

***** Hand History for Game 2419390869 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Sun Jul 24 23:16:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 37205 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Billy_Bass44 ( $21.04)
Seat 2: Frankiee ( $26.50)
Seat 3: drock1232 ( $22.98)
Seat 5: simonex1 ( $24.40)
Seat 6: Robert101 ( $23.90)
Seat 8: briachek ( $32.50)
Seat 9: boogerfish ( $61.34)
Seat 10: pokerjnky ( $29.50)
Robert101 posts small blind (0.10)
briachek posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek [ 7d, 6h, Qh, Qs ]
boogerfish raises (0.85) to 0.85
pokerjnky folds.
Billy_Bass44 calls (0.85)
Frankiee folds.
drock1232 folds.
simonex1 folds.
Robert101 folds.
briachek calls (0.60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 4c, Ah ]
briachek bets (2.55)
boogerfish folds.
Billy_Bass44 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $5.10 | Rake: $0.10
Board: [ Qc 4c Ah ]
Billy_Bass44 balance $20.19, lost $0.85 (folded)
Frankiee balance $26.50, didn't bet (folded)
drock1232 balance $22.98, didn't bet (folded)
simonex1 balance $24.40, didn't bet (folded)
Robert101 balance $23.80, lost $0.10 (folded)
smellybastar balance $25, sits out
briachek balance $34.20, bet $3.40, collected $5.10, net +$1.70
boogerfish balance $60.49, lost $0.85 (folded)
pokerjnky balance $29.50, didn't bet (folded)

My question on this is whether or not I should have check raised and what do you do if you get max raised on the lead out or the check raise? Easy fold to AAxx?

Hand 5
***** Hand History for Game 2419157167 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Sun Jul 24 22:39:28 EDT 2005
Table Table 37359 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: Ecolier ( $31.55)
Seat 3: JFuggingK ( $26.52)
Seat 4: Tilt_Meister ( $39.95)
Seat 5: Costanza ( $23.65)
Seat 6: Michael482 ( $43.50)
Seat 7: IUGrampy ( $47.70)
Seat 8: briachek ( $24.85)
Seat 9: PokerSushi ( $21.50)
Seat 10: Jeff33555 ( $68.55)
Tilt_Meister posts small blind (0.10)
Costanza posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek [ Jd, Tc, Jc, Kd ]
Michael482 folds.
IUGrampy folds.
briachek calls (0.25)
PokerSushi folds.
Jeff33555 folds.
Ecolier folds.
JFuggingK calls (0.25)
Tilt_Meister calls (0.15)
Costanza checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, Ad, Qc ]
Tilt_Meister bets (1)
Costanza folds.
briachek calls (1)
JFuggingK calls (1)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ac ]
Tilt_Meister bets (3.80)
briachek folds.
JFuggingK folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $7.60 | Rake: $0.20
Board: [ 4c Ad Qc Ac ]
TeamGuy balance $19.25, sits out
Ecolier balance $31.55, didn't bet (folded)
JFuggingK balance $25.27, lost $1.25 (folded)
Tilt_Meister balance $42.50, bet $5.05, collected $7.60, net +$2.55
Costanza balance $23.40, lost $0.25 (folded)
Michael482 balance $43.50, didn't bet (folded)
IUGrampy balance $47.70, didn't bet (folded)
briachek balance $23.60, lost $1.25 (folded)
PokerSushi balance $21.50, didn't bet (folded)
Jeff33555 balance $68.55, didn't bet (folded)

Raise the flop? I think the turn is an easy fold as he might only have trip aces but I won't be able to really know for sure.

[Kuso]

I don't really know enough to comments on 1, 2, or 4. Here are my tyro comments:

Hand 3
I don't think you have the pot odds here to call. Only Qs or Ks gives you the flush without a chop with a low, and the str8 only adds 3 more outs (assuming you don't have to chop the high). In this situation, I think you would need more than 11 or 12 outs to scoop in order to call.

Hand 5
I wouldn't worry so much about the trip aces, as you have the second nut flush. That being said, your flush is only the second nut and there is always the possibility of a boat. As such, I have no clue how to play from here. My guess is that I would fold due to a lack of a low draw in my hand and distinctly non-nut high holdings. I might be tempted by the draw for the royal, but the odds aren't really there.

[Edited to correct a hand number]

[briachek]

[Kuso]

literacy has its advantages, and i should probably think about availing myself of them.

can you tell where my mind is?

my apologies

[briachek]

not a problem. Do you only play H/L? Either way, feel free to take a crack at these hands anyway.

[Kuso]

I'm just in a hi/lo frame of mind now...

For Hand 3, I still dump it. You only have 7 totally clean outs to the nut flush (two of them pair the board) and 3 for the str8 -- that's about 22% or so to hit, right? Maybe a point or two higher. As such, it seems like you just miss having the pot odds to call. With so many people in the pot, I think it's safe to assume that someone has a boat draw.

Hand 5, I think that it's a read. If the guy goes crazy with trips and/or ignores flush potential on the board, then I might stay along. If the guy seems decent, I dump. PTO might be handy here. One option is to reraise (maybe min?). If he comes back at you, then the boat seems more likley. If he only has trips, he might dump it (then again, maybe not).

Hand 4, I like your play. A check raise makes it to easy for a flush draw to take a free card. How to play a reraise seems to be more of a read. If a weak players jams your raise, I would be tempted to go all-in. I don't think you can fear AA here, as plenty of donks will jam with a nut flush draw despite not having proper odds. If he seems to be solid, I am not really sure what I would do. I guess I would go with my read and wouldn't sweat it if I decided to play and he had the aces.

OK, I've got to go to bed -- this is making me sharky. Good hands for thought, though.

[Kuso]

[Felonius_Monk]

Hand 1: Pretty much like the way you played that, certainly don't see anything particularly wrong.

Hand 2: Played fine again. Odd play by your opponent.

Hand 3: You do the math!!! How many outs do you have, how many cards are left to see, and what % of the final pot do you have to call to get there?

Hand 4: Marginal call preflop, I bet the flop as you did. I don't mind dropping to a re-raise; surely they must either have AA or a huge draw, in one case you're a slim favourite, in the other you're dead, so overall unless the stacks are very shallow I have no qualms about dropping there. If the opponent is hyper-aggressive and/or dreadful I'm prepared to go to the felt, though.

Hand 5: Think you played it fine. No real reason to get cute here, it would be a shame to make a semi-bluff raise and then have to fold when he drives back at you with a pot-sized re-raise.

Monk
xxxxx

[Kuso]

First, let me say that my comments are purely beginner, so take them for what they are. I look forward to the day that my comments are a lucid as Monk's.

For hand 5, Monk says the semi-bluff reraise invites trouble. Maybe this is a leak in my game. Is it that safe to say that Party PLO25 players wouldn't play trips this way (i.e., pot-size raise on the turn)? Would trips come back at me after a min-raise semi-bluff at this low of a level? I would consider a reraise here just to be a cost of doing business. If he comes back at me, then I know where I am at and fold. I know that I would be reluctant to bet back to a reraise with only trips and 3 cards to a flush on the board.

Anyway, I would put my money on Monk's analysis before mine any day -- clearly the nuances of PLO escape me.

[briachek]

A set would often come back over the top on hand 5 if I raise. Too many players overplay sets and its easier to keep track of people that play them cautiously than those that play it hard.

[briachek]

Hand 3 - 10 clean outs (straight and flush cards that don't pair the board). Assume I know that someone has a set so 42 unknown cards

10/42 = .238

I have to pay 9.60 into about 36 pot 9.60/36= 2.667

I am barely getting the odds to I guess it was a bad fold. It didn't hit this time so I'll live with it.

[briachek]

Monk, Hand 4 is too marginal to call a small raise?

[Felonius_Monk]