Nuts with no redraw facing lots of action

[briachek]

Home game. $20 max buy in with .25/.50 blinds (I know this is short but its how they like it and I'm a normal winner anyway).

I have $25, Rocky has $18, Laggy has $40.

I have 235T rainbow in the BB. Game is 7 handed. Very passive preflop. Rocky calls UTG, 2 callers to Laggy OTB, sb completes and I check.

Flop is A24 rainbow. I flop the nuts

I get respect in this game so I bet $1.50 as a feeler to know if anyone raises me, they definitely have a good hand.

Rocky raises it $4 more. Laggy thinks and raises it to $10.

Everyone has folded and its just me left. I know Rocky has a good hand and is likely going to put in all his chips. Laggy definitely will as I've never seen him put this much in and fold but he also has a big hand to raise. Each of them have a set at worse and 1 or both may have the straight. Therefore, this will be a pot for all your chips if you want to play but I have no redraw. What do you do?

[Felonius_Monk]

Hard to see anyone else having much of a redraw, though? If it's wheel vs wheel vs set you've got to play for all your chips, really. Worst case is you get quartered three ways, no biggie. If it's wheel vs wheel vs wheel and one of them has a set or two pair I guess you're in a bit of a spot but you're still guaranteed to get at least half your stack back even if you get sixthed (serious worse case scenario!). The solid guy surely must have a wheel, I don't see how you can bet out without it, but maybe Laggy just has a set with a weaker low?

If there's a flush draw on the flop I think it's an easy fold. I guess the question is, just how laggy is your lag? What would he be pushing this hard? If the answer is just about any four, you might as well go for it. If it's pretty clear he's needing a wheel to do it, well, there's not much point continuing when at best you're going to get your money back. You've only put $1.50 in so even if they both have the wheel with no redraws it's not a problem to fold. It only becomes an error if there's a good chance they don't both have it; here, though, it seems very likely they do.

Against most opponents I think this is a fold really.

So, what happened?

[Kuso]

Yeah, you would have to be pretty unlucky if you are a dog here. 3567 is your worst enemy.... bad luck if someone's got it. 356x is only drawing to a 7, so I like your chances. With 3-way money and no flush draw, I like your chances.

My guess is that Rocky had trip aces and the board paired.

Please spill the beans!

[forssell]

Hmm interesting. If by passive pf u mean a game like I used to play online, these guys could have anything. I was one of the very rare people in that game who seemed to know its allowed to raise pf (at least more than min-raise), and like many passive games it was also very loose. Normally I would guess rocky for AA (thou he might actually want to call with that) since he limped utg, and he would of course be willing to play for all his chips against a laggy, and why not a 3-way pot with top set? But if the game is very passive even utg could easily have 35. Now, normally I would assume a hand with 35 is very possible to have 6 and/or 7 with them, but again if this is very loose-passive that probability would go down huge.

How is this game postflop? If it isnt totally passive you might want to check and get some money in there so after your raise you don´t have to think anymore. It really is a tough spot since they respect you and still start a raisewar. Also I would guess that if rocky has 22, 44, he will fold them after laggy and you show you are committed (so chance of getting against two sets would deminish somewhat)?

A fold is definitely not a bad option here, but I think I still push IF this game is loose preflop decreasing the chance of redraws, and IF you think laggy will play any set here like that. Stack-sizes influenced my decision, you have 7 dollars more than rocky, so if the situation is laggy with set and rocky with straight you at least get to play a nice side pot with the best hand.

[briachek]

well Rocky has AA with a backdoor flush draw and laggy had 35 with a different backdoor flush draw. The turn gave Rocky a flush draw but he missed his outs and Laggy won the pot. Why only Laggy you say? Because I folded as a situation like this happened to me last week twice where someone had a redraw and I lost my stack. Since I didn't have much committed, I folded thinking that I am most likely draw at a possible 3 way split. If laggy had called or folded, I definitely would have played.

[Felonius_Monk]

[briachek]

It was PLO Hi and I was thought Rocky had the wheel but knew they both really hit the flop. Laggy plays every hand.

[Kuso]

Sorry about the PLO vs. PLO8 problem again.

Thanks for the heads up, Monk. I realized my mistake about the 356x holding about 5 minutes after posting, but I didn't get a chance to edit it. I'm still not quick on my out calculations in situations like this.

Anyway, Briacheck, how did the night turn out as a whole? Did you take home the grits? If you are the best player, then I think it might have been right for your to fold without redraws -- there will be more chances to get your money in the pot when _you've_ got the upper hand!

[briachek]

I was up $25 which was respectable. I am rarely the big winner but I am ALWAYS the consistent winner. I can think of about 6 times out of 100 home game nights where I have been down money and that counts being down $1. I've been down $40 once, $30 once, $20 once and a few bucks the other times. Every other time I either break even or win a respectable amount with the occasion $80-$140 win ($20 buy in so not too shabby.)

[Felonius_Monk]

I used ti have exactly the same sort of figures on my old home game - very rarely down (maybe same as you, about 5-10% of sessions) but rarely the big winner.