2 hands I folded - would have won both - Do I need to gamble

[jdavidk]

Two hands from the same tournament here that I need some feedback on. Each hand I folded and each hand I would of won and would of won a whole bunch of chips, but I feel like in each situation I made the correct move. Do I need to loosen up a bit and gamble???

Dave



Event Buy-In: $ 20 ($ 1,700 total prize pool)
Game: No Limit Hold 'em
Level IX: 50 Ante 200/400 Blinds (25 Minimum Chip)
Average Stack: 17,000 (10,000 starting chips)
Remaining Players: 50 (85 started)
Seat 1 : Player 1 starts with 3,375
Seat 3 : Player 2 starts with 21,975
Seat 4 : Player 3 starts with 5,525
Seat 5 : Player 4 starts with 18,550
Seat 6 : PLAYER 5 starts with 16,125
Seat 7 : Dave starts with 16,325
Seat 8 : Player 6 starts with 9,200
Seat 9 : Player 7 starts with 43,175
Seat 10 : Player 8 starts with 12,950
Seat 6 : PLAYER 5 has the dealer button
>>>DEALING HOLE CARDS<<<
Dave dealt down Qc Ac
Player 1 posts the ante 50
Player 2 posts the ante 50
Player 3 posts the ante 50
Player 4 posts the ante 50
PLAYER 5 posts the ante 50
Dave posts the ante 50
Player 6 posts the ante 50
Player 7 posts the ante 50
Player 8 posts the ante 50
Dave posts the small blind 200
Player 6 posts the big blind 400
Player 7 raises 975 to 1,375
Player 8 raises 975 to 2,350
Player 1 folds
Player 2 folds
Player 3 folds
Player 4 folds
PLAYER 5 folds
Dave calls 2,150

I was going to raise Player #7 but when Player #8 raised I thought to myself, “Well, lets see the flop”

Player 6 raises 6,800 to 9,150 and is all-in
Player 7 folds
Player 8 calls 6,800
Dave: I will hate myself in the morning

(I actually hated myself the moment I saw there cards)

Dave folds

I folded putting one of them on a big pair and I did not want to risk the majority of my chips on a coin flip at this stage in the tourneament

Player 6 cards were Qd Kd
Player 8 cards were Qs Kc
Player 3: defend defend defend

(I assume they were speaking to me when they said defend???)

>>>DEALING FLOP<<< [ 9h 8s 5c ]
>>>DEALING TURN<<< [ 6h ]
>>>DEALING RIVER<<< [ 8d ]
Player 6 wins 11,250 with a pair of eights
Player 8 wins 11,225 with a pair of eights
>>>SUMMARY<<<
Hand Ended: Tuesday August 23rd 10:11:31 PM CDT 2005
Total Pot: 22,475
Board: [ 9h 8s 5c 6h 8d ]
Seat 1 : Player 1 lost 50, folded pre-flop
Seat 3 : Player 2 lost 50, folded pre-flop
Seat 4 : Player 3 lost 50, folded pre-flop
Seat 5 : Player 4 lost 50, folded pre-flop
Seat 6 : PLAYER 5 (button) lost 50, folded pre-flop
Seat 7 : Dave (small blind) lost 2,400, folded pre-flop
Seat 8 : Player 6 (big blind) bet 9,200, won 11,250, net +2,050, showed
hand [ Qd Kd ]
Seat 9 : Player 7 lost 1,425, folded pre-flop
Seat 10 : Player 8 bet 9,200, won 11,225, net +2,025, showed hand [ Qs Kc ]




Here is another hand I folded that was a winner………..




Event Buy-In: $ 20 ($ 1,700 total prize pool)
Game: No Limit Hold 'em
Level XIII: 200 Ante 800/1,600 Blinds (100 Minimum Chip)
Average Stack: 32,692.30 (10,000 starting chips)
Remaining Players: 26 (85 started)
Seat 1 : Player 1 starts with 5,600
Seat 2 : Player 2 starts with 49,300
Seat 3 : Player 3 starts with 20,100
Seat 5 : Player 4 starts with 21,500
Seat 6 : PLAYER 5 starts with 25,500
Seat 7 : Dave starts with 22,600
Seat 8 : mongoose53207 starts with 23,800
Seat 9 : Player 6 starts with 39,600
Seat 10 : Player 7 starts with 16,600
Seat 7 : Dave has the dealer button
>>>DEALING HOLE CARDS<<<
Dave dealt down Ad Ks
Player 1 posts the ante 200
Player 2 posts the ante 200
Player 3 posts the ante 200
Player 4 posts the ante 200
PLAYER 5 posts the ante 200
Dave posts the ante 200
mongoose53207 posts the ante 200
Player 6 posts the ante 200
Player 7 posts the ante 200
mongoose53207 posts the small blind 800
Player 6 posts the big blind 1,600
Player 7 folds
Player 1 folds
Player 2 folds
Player 3 raises 1,600 to 3,200
Player 4 raises 18,100 to 21,300 and is all-in
PLAYER 5 folds
Dave folds

I did not have a read on Player 4 but I believe that is my own fault. He had been at this table for awhile and I just was not paying a lot of attention to the game (I think that is what happened) but, again, I was not putting just about all my chips in the pot preflop on a coin flip.

mongoose53207 folds
Player 6 calls 19,700
Player 3 folds
Player 4 cards were Ts Tc
Player 6 cards were Qs Ah
>>>DEALING FLOP<<< [ 9d 8c 2d ]
>>>DEALING TURN<<< [ 2c ]
>>>DEALING RIVER<<< [ Ac ]
Player 6 wins 48,400 with two pair, aces and deuces
Player 4 has left the table
Player 4 finishes in 26th place
mongoose53207: gg
>>>SUMMARY<<<
Hand Ended: Tuesday August 23rd 10:51:57 PM CDT 2005
Total Pot: 48,400
Board: [ 9d 8c 2d 2c Ac ]
Seat 1 : Player 1 lost 200, folded pre-flop
Seat 2 : Player 2 lost 200, folded pre-flop
Seat 3 : Player 3 lost 3,400, folded pre-flop
Seat 5 : Player 4 lost 21,500, showed hand [ Ts Tc ]
Seat 6 : PLAYER 5 lost 200, folded pre-flop
Seat 7 : Dave (button) lost 200, folded pre-flop
Seat 8 : mongoose53207 (small blind) lost 1,000, folded pre-flop
Seat 9 : Player 6 (big blind) bet 21,500, won 48,400, net +26,900, showed hand [
Qs Ah ]
Seat 10 : Player 7 lost 200, folded pre-flop



DO I need to “gamble” more. I have learned not to get “married” to AK but should I be calling with it preflop no matter what? Same thing with AQs.

Any input, as usual, is appreciated.

Dave

[briachek]

there is a difference between gambling and taking stupid risks. I would have folded both those hands.

Hand 1: I fold the initial time it comes around. There is a raise and a reraiser. Most likely, if you are beating one of them, you are losing to the other and your call doesn't close the action. I save that 2k in chips and jsut fold. They are both idiots with KQ so you'll get them later if they keep doing that. Normally one of them will have you in a bad spot.

Hand 2: The min raise may or may not be a monster (probably not) but then someone raises it big. They could be doing this with AJ-AK or a decent pair. You are behind a pair and the min raiser might have some of your outs. If there was just a raise and a call, I am more apt to push or reraise since only one person showed weak strength. Just fold and move on.

You can't be angry about folds that would have won pots because you made a good decision to lay it down. Being afraid to lay down a winning hand is what knocks people out of tourneys.

[Cardman]

[bobby]

to be overly blunt---

EASY FOLDS BOTH!!!

Dont get caught up in post flop analysis, unless you can learn something from it...You did fine!!

[tommyhawk]

Yes both definite folds.

You can gamble with ak against one player but not 2. These guys were very loose to play like that and I hope you made notes.

You have nothing preflop you made good folds.

I would like to know where you played with 10 K starting chips I would love to play that.

Tom.

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