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Slow down on the turn or fire again on the river?

Postby briachek » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:22 pm

***** Hand History for Game 2718125913 *****
$25 PL Omaha - Thursday, September 15, 21:37:33 EDT 2005
Table Table 38186 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: damirchik ( $43.05 )
Seat 2: GAdawg8152 ( $12.55 )
Seat 3: briachek2 ( $31.85 )
Seat 4: kingbudd ( $8.50 )
Seat 5: PILEDRIVER16 ( $18.55 )
Seat 6: flyfish555 ( $21.60 )
Seat 7: Shockwaves ( $10.75 )
Seat 8: sailfish01 ( $15.85 )
Seat 9: jhalperin ( $15 )
Seat 10: buckeyebub ( $28.20 )
buckeyebub posts small blind [$0.10].
>You have options at Table 38689 Table!.
damirchik is sitting out.
briachek2 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek2 [ Ac Jh Ah 2d ]
kingbudd calls [$0.25].
PILEDRIVER16 folds.
>You have options at Table 37264 Table!.
flyfish555 calls [$0.25].
damirchik has left the table.
Shockwaves calls [$0.25].
buckeyebub calls [$0.15].
briachek2 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, Kc, 5h ]
buckeyebub checks.
briachek2 bets [$1.20].
kingbudd calls [$1.20].
flyfish555 calls [$1.20].
Shockwaves folds.
buckeyebub calls [$1.20].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
buckeyebub checks.
briachek2 bets [$5.75].
>You have options at Table 38689 Table!.
kingbudd calls [$5.75].
flyfish555 folds.
buckeyebub folds.
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
briachek2 checks.
kingbudd checks.
briachek2 shows [ Ac, Jh, Ah, 2d ] a pair of aces.
kingbudd shows [ 7c, 5c, Td, 6c ] two pairs, tens and sevens.
kingbudd wins $16.70 from the main pot with two pairs, tens and sevens.

When i bet the turn, I didn't realize i got 3 calls on the flop. I just thought I got 2. Either way, if I knew that the other guy was such a calling station, I should have slowed down on the turn as he often mini bet anything (which i learned later). Against a non calling station, do you bet the turn? do you fire again on the river?
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Postby Kuso » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:38 am

i think the answer lies in whether they have demonstrated that they will lay down non-nut hands and/or are weak-tight.

just curious, do you have the "fold to ___ bet" stats up when you play? i love these stats -- very useful for these kinds of situations.
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Postby briachek » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:23 am

I don't use PTO yet. I plan on getting it soon.
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Postby Tiburon » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:44 am

Worst thing about that hand Brian was that you were behind from the flop and drawing to an ace, a heart, or the board pairing, which still may not have made you good.

You still had a ton of outs, and I would still have bet the turn for value, but with his mini-wrap, he had you running second in a two-horse race. Of course, if a heart or an ace falls on the river, it's priceless.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:10 pm

Rhetorical question -

Why, if you're prepared to bet a flop whereby if you get called you're almost certain to be less than 50% to win it, do you have such an aversion to raising preflop?

Ask yourself not why you're playing this hand, but exactly why you're avoiding raising in close to 75% of the situations you have in PLO as a matter of course. Are you really convinced your level of inflexibility makes for a good poker player?

Way I'd play this hand - either check, min raise, or max raise preflop, and then take the flop depending on how my opponents played.
Plus, you got called 4 ways on the flop. Your turn bet suggests you believed you're winning; no-one is folding. Thoughts?
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Postby Kuso » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:57 am

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Postby briachek » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:24 am

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:09 pm

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