A hand I witnessed earlier today, would you call?

[GodlikeRoy]

I didn't see the start of this hand as it was on another table (I was playing in a tourney and it was down to <20 people so I had both tables opened). Anyway the first player, let's call him Player A, was a solid player as far as i'd seen. The other player, let's call her Player B, was also solid but a bit on the tight/conservative side even when the Ms were high.

When I went to look at the hand, there was ~13k chips in the pot. Player B was all in for her final 4k giving the pot 17k, player A had about 15k behind him and if he called and lost, he'd be down to 11k leaving him the shortstack of the tournament. The board read something like . Player A ended up folding, saying he held . Player B showed pocket queens.

What would you have done as player A in that situation? I said he should've call as he was getting tremendous pot odds if all diamonds + kings were outs. He said he didn't want to call because if he lost he'd be shortstacked and that's a major criteria that warrants consideration when in the later stages of the tournament. We were all ITM by now so it isn't an issue of the bubble. Thoughts everyone?

I told him I thought it was an insta-call, but he went on to make the final table and get a respectable stack and i watched his play and didn't see him make anything I considered a mistake, he was definitely a good player but I couldn't seem to get passed this hand. How heavily does everyone consider laying down a hand which would be a correct call in a ring game due to pot odds in respect to being shortstacked and facing an uphill climb to victory if the hand is lost? I definitely think the pros of calling outweigh those of folding but some discussion on the overall topic would be nice. Like CJ said in the SNG forum a couple of days ago, where is everyone?! The NL Ring section gets 10+ threads a day, we're lucky to get 10+ threads a fortnight in these tournament threads.

[Cactus Jack]

[TexasKowboy]

[Kuso]

if he feels like he is a better player than most of his opponents, then i think the laydown was correct. i think relatively low-percentage draws (25% or so here, i believe) with proper pot odds just invites getting short-stacked in MTTs.

I think Cloutier says something about chasing be bad in tournies.

[Cactus Jack]

Every tourney pro writes chasing be bad in tourneys.

Chasing be very very bad.

Don't chase.

You lose.

CJ