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Overpair against preflop raisor

Postby briachek » Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:54 pm

Table Table 66286 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: briachek ( $24.40)
Seat 2: RRosenfeld ( $79.80)
Seat 3: Sharp_hookS ( $37.90)
Seat 4: ILoveClOCKS ( $25.55)
Seat 5: ocelot13 ( $34.70)
Seat 6: LINDER_DODGE ( $11.20)
Seat 7: Stl10202 ( $21.05)
Seat 8: juicebol ( $28.70)
Seat 9: baby_muse ( $25.30)
Seat 10: ncpizzadad41 ( $23.95)
RRosenfeld posts small blind (0.10)
Sharp_hookS posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek [ 3s, Ad, 3c, As ]
ILoveClOCKS folds.
ocelot13 calls (0.25)
LINDER_DODGE calls (0.25)
Stl10202 folds.
juicebol folds.
ncpizzadad41 raises (1) to 1
briachek calls (1)
RRosenfeld calls (0.90)
Sharp_hookS folds.
ocelot13 calls (0.75)
LINDER_DODGE calls (0.75)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ks, 9s, 7c ]
RRosenfeld checks.
ocelot13 checks.
LINDER_DODGE checks.
ncpizzadad41 bets (5)
briachek ????

I have nut flush draw and overpair. Board is a little too coordinated and I don't like the K. What is your action?
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Postby Stl10202 » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:33 am

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Postby briachek » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:37 am

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Postby briachek » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:24 am

anyone else see this as all in or fold on flop?
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:54 am

No way you can fold.

It's close between raising and just calling, but I call here - I don't really want to get re-raised all in by a set when I'd be 60:40 ish on the hand, when I could smooth call and let some more dead money into the pot. The deciding factor should really be whether the PFRer is likely to have a set or not. Here, I'd say it's quite probable he doesn't, but then there are other players yet to act and I don't think a raise carries a huge amount of fold equity in this case. I say just call, others would push in a raise. I think I'm right but then I would say that :D

Please, please don't fold! That's not even close here.
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Postby GooperMC » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:27 pm

I would be more worried that someone behind me had a set then the raiser. If I was HU with him I would re-pot, but I like calling with everyone and their mother left to act.
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Postby briachek » Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:30 pm

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:37 pm

Probably fold I would say.

Also note (gooper) this hand doesn't play bad three handed, even against a set and a big straight wrap, so you shouldn't be too concerned about being raised:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1273665
pokenum -o 3s ad 3c as - kh kd tc 9c - 8s th jd qd -- ks 9s 7c
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing Ks 9s 7c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 3s 3c Ad 203 30.48 463 69.52 0 0.00 0.305
Tc 9c Kd Kh 295 44.29 368 55.26 3 0.45 0.445
8s Qd Jd Th 165 24.77 498 74.77 3 0.45 0.250


Against two sets you're in great shape:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1273667
pokenum -o 3s ad 3c as - kh kd tc 9c - 7s 7d 8h 9h -- ks 9s 7c
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing Ks 9s 7c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 3s 3c Ad 259 38.89 407 61.11 0 0.00 0.389
Tc 9c Kd Kh 352 52.85 314 47.15 0 0.00 0.529
7s 7d 9h 8h 55 8.26 611 91.74 0 0.00 0.083

In total it's tough for you to be much less than neutral EV to get all in against two likely betting/raising hands, and there's obviously also going to be dead money in the pot, so this hand (because of its many nut outs) plays fine in more multiway pots as well as being decent heads up.
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Postby briachek » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:19 pm

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Postby GooperMC » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:58 pm

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