PLO8 Hands for Critique

[piersmajestyk]

I have really been playing aggresively in the PLO8 games with some good results. Here are a few hands that I played today and wanted to see what the thoughts were on them as I was in precarious shape in a couple of them. Is the converter not working for Omaha hands or do I need to make some adjustments for it to work. thanks for all thought.

0/0 Omaha Hi/Lo Game Table (PL) - Thu Oct 13 14:37:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 36564 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: coop6 ( $35.92)
Seat 2: stacykibler ( $26.58)
Seat 3: KateDaGrate ( $20.33)
Seat 4: marlow2 ( $20.65)
Seat 5: Valdivieso ( $31.90)
Seat 6: lily998 ( $3.35)
Seat 7: xxSWINGSxx ( $24.22)
Seat 8: shar_sj1 ( $22.73)
Seat 9: readybob ( $17.60)
Seat 10: PM ( $38.89)
marlow2 posts small blind (0.10)
Valdivieso is sitting out.
lily998 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PM [ Ad, Ks, 3d, 4d ]
xxSWINGSxx folds.
shar_sj1 folds.
readybob calls (0.25)
PM raises (1.10) to 1.10
coop6 calls (1.10)
stacykibler folds.
KateDaGrate folds.
marlow2 folds.
lily998 folds.
readybob calls (0.85)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, 6d, 4h ]
readybob bets (1)
PM raises (6.50) to 6.50
coop6 folds.
readybob raises (15.50) to 16.50
readybob is all-In.
PM calls (10)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Qs ]
Creating Main Pot with $34.85 with readybob
** Summary **
Main Pot: $34.85 | | Rake: $1.80
Board: [ Kh 6d 4h Jc Qs ]
coop6 balance $34.82, lost $1.10 (folded)
stacykibler balance $26.58, didn't bet (folded)
KateDaGrate balance $20.33, didn't bet (folded)
marlow2 balance $20.55, lost $0.10 (folded)
atleso balance $25, sits out
lily998 balance $3.10, lost $0.25 (folded)
xxSWINGSxx balance $24.22, didn't bet (folded)
shar_sj1 balance $22.73, didn't bet (folded)
readybob balance $0, lost $17.60 [ 3s Ac 2s 5d ] [ high card ace -- Ac,Kh,Qs,Jc,5d ]
PM balance $56.14, bet $17.60, collected $34.85, net +$17.25 [ Ad Ks 3d 4d ] [ two pairs, kings and fours -- Ks,Kh,Qs,4d,4h ]


0/0 Omaha Hi/Lo Game Table (PL) - Thu Oct 13 14:42:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 36564 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: coop6 ( $33.65)
Seat 2: stacykibler ( $26.33)
Seat 3: KateDaGrate ( $20.26)
Seat 4: marlow2 ( $24.57)
Seat 5: atleso ( $24.75)
Seat 6: lily998 ( $3.42)
Seat 7: xxSWINGSxx ( $23.87)
Seat 8: shar_sj1 ( $22.38)
Seat 9: readybob ( $24.90)
Seat 10:PM ( $56.14)
readybob posts small blind (0.10)
PM posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PM [ Ts, 3s, Ah, Ac ]
coop6 calls (0.25)
stacykibler calls (0.25)
KateDaGrate calls (0.25)
marlow2 folds.
atleso folds.
lily998 folds.
xxSWINGSxx folds.
shar_sj1 folds.
readybob folds.
PM raises (1.10) to 1.35
coop6 calls (1.10)
stacykibler folds.
KateDaGrate calls (1.10)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7c, Qh, 2h ]
PM bets (4.20)
coop6 raises (16.80) to 16.80
KateDaGrate calls (16.80)
PM raises (50.59) to 54.79
PM is all-In.
coop6 calls (15.50)
coop6 is all-In.
KateDaGrate calls (2.11)
KateDaGrate is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 2c ]
Creating Main Pot with $58.13 with KateDaGrate
Creating Side Pot 1 with $26.78 with coop6
Creating Side Pot 2 with $22.49 with PM
** Summary **
Main Pot: $58.13 | Side Pot 1: $26.78 | Side Pot 2: $22.49 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 7c Qh 2h 8s 2c ]
coop6 balance $42.46, bet $33.65, collected $42.46, net +$8.81 [ 7s Th Jd 7h ] [ a full house, Sevens full of twos -- 7s,7h,7c,2h,2c ]
stacykibler balance $26.08, lost $0.25 (folded)
KateDaGrate balance $14.53, bet $20.26, collected $14.53, lost -$5.73 [ Ad 6d 3d Kc ] [ LO: 8,7,3,2,A | HI: a pair of twos -- Ad,Kc,Qh,2h,2c ]
marlow2 balance $24.57, didn't bet (folded)
atleso balance $24.75, didn't bet (folded)
lily998 balance $3.42, didn't bet (folded)
xxSWINGSxx balance $23.87, didn't bet (folded)
shar_sj1 balance $22.38, didn't bet (folded)
readybob balance $24.80, lost $0.10 (folded)
PM balance $50.41, bet $56.14, collected $50.41, lost -$5.73 [ Ts 3s Ah Ac ] [ LO: 8,7,3,2,A | HI: two pairs, aces and twos -- Ah,Ac,Qh,2h,2c ]


0/0 Omaha Hi/Lo Game Table (PL) - Thu Oct 13 14:46:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 36706 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: PM ( $55.07)
Seat 2: golffro ( $25)
Seat 3: kaiser1 ( $41.15)
Seat 4: readybob ( $21.60)
Seat 5: marlow2 ( $52.25)
Seat 6: WalkinThePad ( $22.05)
Seat 7: coop6 ( $29.22)
Seat 8: zinger888 ( $25)
Seat 9: atleso ( $12.30)
kaiser1 posts small blind (0.10)
readybob posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PM [ Ac, 3c, Td, As ]
marlow2 folds.
coop6 calls (0.25)
atleso folds.
PM raises (1) to 1
kaiser1 calls (0.90)
readybob calls (0.75)
coop6 calls (0.75)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, 7h, 8c ]
kaiser1 checks.
readybob checks.
coop6 checks.
PM bets (3.80)
kaiser1 calls (3.80)
readybob folds.
coop6 calls (3.80)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
kaiser1 bets (14.65)
coop6 calls (14.65)
PM raises (50.27) to 50.27
PM is all-In.
kaiser1 calls (21.70)
kaiser1 is all-In.
coop6 calls (9.77)
coop6 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ 9s ]
Creating Main Pot with $85.66 with coop6
Creating Side Pot 1 with $23.86 with kaiser1
Creating Side Pot 2 with $13.92 with PM
** Summary **
Main Pot: $85.66 | Side Pot 1: $23.86 | Side Pot 2: $13.92 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 4s 7h 8c Kc 9s ]
PM balance $68.68, bet $55.07, collected $68.68, net +$13.61 [ Ac 3c Td As ] [ LO: 8,7,4,3,A | HI: a pair of aces -- Ac,As,Kc,9s,8c ]
golffro balance $25, sits out
kaiser1 balance $54.76, bet $41.15, collected $54.76, net +$13.61 [ 8d 6s 3d 5h ] [ LO: 8,7,5,4,3 | HI: a straight, five to nine -- 9s,8c,7h,6s,5h ]
readybob balance $20.60, lost $1 (folded)
marlow2 balance $52.25, didn't bet (folded)
WalkinThePad balance $22.05, sits out
coop6 balance $0, lost $29.22 [ 4c 2c 4d 6h ] [ LO: 8,7,6,4,2 | HI: three of a kind, fours -- Kc,9s,4c,4d,4s ]
zinger888 balance $25, sits out
atleso balance $12.30, didn't bet (folded)
Discraider balance $25, sits out

[JDLush]

Piers, I have experimented with a few different ways of playing the AA3x hands and I think you did fine there. It's a really hard hand to let go of on a flop that *just* catches you (like the 478 flop you had). I always assume (and I'm pretty sure the odds agree with me) that I'm good for low with my A3, but with that kind of flop it's hard to tell for sure if someone pushes back at you whether they have a high locked up or have one of the 2 remaining aces with a deuce. While you rarely will take high unimproved, it does happen a decent amount of the time. I think you are right in playing the variance game with it, as long as you don't become too attached to the hand on a so-so flop.

It seems like as more and more people start playing O8, more will call a big raise with just about any random hand if they think you have an AA hand (which probably 90% of preflop pot raisers have). Because of that I have started raising some of those random hands as well, but then again I'm assuming that other players at my table are paying attention, and they probably aren't.

I've looked at my PTO database and most of the winning players all have a pretty high PFR%, but aren't quite as aggressive after the flop. That aggressive post flop play can work on a short term basis, but I think the times you let that hand go will save you $$ over the long run.

Of course, a lot of this is table dependent, YMMV.

[Felonius_Monk]

Doesn't seem too far from the way I play. All hands seem OK to me. 3rd one seems highly marginal, opponent-specific I guess. I'm ideally looking for Coop to be very bad to play that way.

[Kuso]

i'm trying to sort out aggressive play with these sorts of hands in my own game, so i really like seeing these hands.

i like the raises pf and flop. but i have some comments about hands 1 and 3.

you can't really do anything but call in hand 1, but i am hating it that i got raised. there were a lot of cards that scooped or 3/4 you. when this hands hit, i feel like a genius -- when they don't, an idiot.

for hand three, ok, i see the motivation, but i would lay down on the turn. i would assume that i was drawing to a deuce or a club for half the pot -- not the kind of situation i like being in.

[Felonius_Monk]