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I should have seen the flop right?

Postby briachek » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:09 pm

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (10 handed)

Button ($25.25)
Hero ($56.9)
BB ($21.65)
UTG ($22.2)
UTG+1 ($12.9)
UTG+2 ($11)
MP1 ($17.25)
MP2 ($25)
MP3 ($20.5)
CO ($19.5)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [4c], [4s]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $2.25, MP2 (poster) folds, MP3 calls $2.25, CO folds, Button folds, Hero folds, BB folds.

Flop: ($5.75) [7s], [4d], [8h] (2 players)
MP1 bets $4, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: $9.75

Ok, so I guess since i'm playing for a set or fold, my position didn't matter much. Since the two had about 10x their bet and the $2 more is a very small portion of my stack, I should be calling in this circumstance always, correct? I was kicking myself over this.
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Postby Bob314 » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:20 am

Actually you have to call 2.25 and 10 times 2.25 is 22.50, which neither of your opponents has, so I think you were correct to fold. Maybe because there was already 1 caller you might get to justify a call with the 4-4, but I don't think it was a bad fold.
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Postby briachek » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:30 am

i was in the sb for $0.25 so it was $2 more for me.
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Postby Nortonesque » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:22 am

You should primarily go by the raiser's stack, since you're far more likely to get their money than the caller's. The implied odds on the caller's stack are much lower, so he'll need to have a bigger stack to make it worthwhile.

You can also adjust the multiple based on the WtSD% of your opponent. 10x is a good rule of thumb, but if someone has a high WtSD%, you can probably lower it to 9x, and if they have a lower WtSD% you can raise your standards. In this case the caller is putting another couple bucks in the pot, so it may have been a marginally good call if the raiser overplays his hands.
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Postby briachek » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:42 pm

I learned my lesson about it this time. I love when implied odds actually come through. Love people that can't drop top pair.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (6 handed)

CO ($45.5)
Button ($24.75)
SB ($63.16)
Hero ($62)
UTG ($60.4)
MP ($32.2)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [3d], [3c].
UTG folds, MP folds, CO raises to $2.5, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($5.25) [3s], [5h], [Ac] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero raises to $10, CO calls $7.

Turn: ($25.25) [7s] (2 players)
Hero bets $20, CO raises to $33 (All-In), Hero calls $13.

River: ($91.25) [9c] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $91.25

Results in white below:
Hero has 3d 3c (three of a kind, threes).
CO has Ad Qh (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $91.25.
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Postby Danhdan » Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:15 pm

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