tricky bottom sets

[Lumberjack]

Hi Guys,

the last two days were very expensive... dropped around 9 buy-ins. Here is another example from today. I hit bottom pair, bet out for protection against a flush draw. I got one caller and put him on that flush draw. On the turn, a blank, he raised me. On that point I had no idea where I am. Does he hit two pair with his flush draw or a set of 4's? With that thinking I should have folded the river, but damn... it isn't easy to fold a full house!! Where did you guys played it differently??


Lumberjack


PokerStars Game #1103195580: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/01/20 - 15:09:29 (ET)
Table 'Rosa' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: thedarkman ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 2: squashed ($45.60 in chips)
Seat 3: nxsnow ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Coltaine ($49.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Slasis ($25.70 in chips)
Seat 6: JAXKING ($32.90 in chips)
Seat 7: HERO ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 8: ifuhate$call ($6.95 in chips)
Seat 9: microbe ($7.70 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind $0.10
ifuhate$call: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO
microbe: folds
thedarkman: folds
squashed: calls $0.25
nxsnow: folds
Coltaine: folds
Slasis: calls $0.25
JAXKING: calls $0.25
HERO: calls $0.15
ifuhate$call: checks
*** FLOP ***
HERO: bets $1
ifuhate$call: folds
squashed: folds
Slasis: folds
JAXKING: calls $1
*** TURN ***
HERO: bets $3
JAXKING: raises $9.10 to $12.10
HERO: calls $9.10
*** RIVER ***
HERO: checks
JAXKING said, "beat 2 pair?"
JAXKING: bets $11
HERO: raises $0.15 to $11.15 and is all-in
JAXKING: calls $0.15
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [Ah 5h Td 5s] (a full house, Fives full of Fours)
JAXKING: shows [3s 2h Kd Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Fours)
JAXKING collected $47.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $49.75 | Rake $2.40
Board [Kc 9s 5c 4h 4c]
Seat 1: thedarkman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: squashed folded on the Flop
Seat 3: nxsnow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Coltaine folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Slasis folded on the Flop
Seat 6: JAXKING (button) showed [3s 2h Kd Kh] and won ($47.35) with a full house, Kings full of Fours
Seat 7: HERO (small blind) showed [Ah 5h Td 5s] and lost with a full house, Fives full of Fours
Seat 8: ifuhate$call (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: microbe folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Lumberjack]

Oh damn, I should stop playing for a while....

Here again, I could have saved me the river bet.




PokerStars Game #1103290268: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/01/20 - 15:38:06 (ET)
Table 'Syringa' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: asdf__asdf ($59.10 in chips)
Seat 3: NUTorious1 ($31.65 in chips)
Seat 4: sparky41 ($56.65 in chips)
Seat 6: chtuna ($24.80 in chips)
Seat 7: HERO ($50 in chips)
Seat 8: tslug ($56.90 in chips)
Seat 9: Slasis ($60.15 in chips)
chtuna: posts small blind $0.25
HERO: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO
tslug: calls $0.50
Slasis: folds
asdf__asdf: calls $0.50
NUTorious1: calls $0.50
sparky41: folds
chtuna: calls $0.25
HERO: checks
*** FLOP ***
chtuna: checks
HERO: bets $2
tslug: calls $2
asdf__asdf: folds
NUTorious1: calls $2
chtuna: folds
*** TURN ***
HERO: bets $8
tslug: calls $8
NUTorious1: folds
*** RIVER ***
HERO: bets $20
baildog65 has returned
tslug: calls $20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [Ad 9c Qc 9s] (three of a kind, Nines)
tslug: shows [Ah 8c 6c 5c] (a straight, Five to Nine)
tslug collected $61.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $64.50 | Rake $3
Board [9h 2s 7c As 8s]
Seat 2: asdf__asdf folded on the Flop
Seat 3: NUTorious1 folded on the Turn
Seat 4: sparky41 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: chtuna (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: HERO (big blind) showed [Ad 9c Qc 9s] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 8: tslug showed [Ah 8c 6c 5c] and won ($61.50) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 9: Slasis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[briachek]

First hand - I play bottom sets very carefully because what you think is the best thing to happen (board pairing) could easily make someone a higher boat. I would fold on the turn after the raise because that turn card didn't help him. Unless you know this guy to be a maniac that will overvalue two pair, you have 3rd set on a pretty uncoordinated board for this raise. He has to have at least 99, but probably KK for the slowplay.

Second hand - You did what you could on the flop and turn. I would have checked the river because people backdoor into flushes all the time. If he didn't have the flush, he might also check and you get cheap showdown. Since he had the straight, it is unlikely that he would bet full pot so you could call a reasonable bet on the river.

I noticed that you bet close to the pot size, but not the actual pot size. Not trying to nitpick, but if you are gonna bet the pot, get that extra 10 or 20 cents in there because that increases the pot for later streets so for the pots you win, you could get another $1 or $2 on it which can add up.

[Felonius_Monk]