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Postby Tokenizer » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:55 am

Here's a hand I played this weekend that I think I played horrible. The question is... just how bad did I play given my opponent? After I was shown what he had I had to rethink if I was actually playing it as horrible as I thought.

$200 NL table - I have $580 and the villan has ~$900.

The villan in the hand is a very aggresive player that is bordering on playing like a maniac. He's tricky and plays well, but it's about time for him to get a speeding ticket for pushing hard on everything he hits.

I get KQs in MP and follow another limper into the pot. Villan raises the button to $6. Both blinds call as does the other limper and I call to see a flop. (passive table preflop for the most part) My reasoning here is that it's $4 into a $26 pot and worth seeing a nice flop for cheap. Start to roast me here for thinking like that in a NL game...

Flop comes J87 with two of my suit. Not the power flop I was looking for but I have a flush draw to the 2nd nuts. We all check to the button who bets $20 into the $30 pot. The limper ahead of me calls his bet... I have odds to draw to the flush but I don't like the situation I'm in... The button and I both have deep stacks and I'm looking to get his stack when he overplays his hands like I've already seen him do. So what to do here? I decide to call and see the turn.

The turn brings an offsuit T and the limper checks to me...

I did improve on the turn here... I just got an oesd to the nut straight(s) and still have a 2nd nut flush draw. I decide to make some kind of blocking bet to make the button worry I made the straight and try to keep him from making a pot sized bet. I bet $40 into the $90 pot and the button raises me to $100. The limper folds and I'm left with a $60 call into a pot thats now $230. I know my outs are clean for the straight draw and the only dirty outs I can think of would be the J and T of clubs that could fill him up if he's flopped a set which isn't likely. Given these outs it's a marginal call and the kicker was that I told myself the blocking bet was all I was going to pay to see a river. Well I go against what I wanted and called the $60 raise. Do you call here? I felt like moving in but I know that would have been a big mistake given this wild players tendency of calling large bets with so-so hands.

The river is an ugly offsuit T and I have no choice but to check and let him bet. He bets half the pot and I fold. He proudly shows me J9o for the turned straight and instead of just feeling like I played the hand like complete poop I'm left with the nagging question of just *how* bad did I actually play it. I put him on a weak hand, which it was untill the turn. I also made the correct call on the turn that all of my outs were in fact clean and drawing to winning hands. If an ace or a nine came on the river I probably still could have taken a nice peice of his stack while I'm not so sure the clubs would have been paid off.

Someone talk some sense into me... good draw for the money or fold and wait?
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Postby Rhound50 » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:42 pm

Your plya preflop is a little questionable in my mind I hate KQ suited or not vs a raise. If I am playing it I want to be the one rasing and even then only in position. The play on the flop was ok you have odds to call with a flush draw. In som instances I would have raised for a free card but with a agressive/ maniac player behind you that play is out thw window. The play on the turn is suspect, the raise there seems to say that he has the str8 and doesnt want you drawing to the flush. You ended up calling $100 bet, if you check to him and he bets $100 you fold but since your odds don't make you call. This was a poor time for a blocking bet IMO. LAG players like to raise, making a blocking bet into a LAG is usually not a good idea. Its a shame your multi-draw didnt hit sounds like you would have made a nice pot of it did. K on the river and you double up through him.
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Postby Three Outer » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:53 pm

I don't mind the preflop call at all. I would've done the same thing, but when I call a raise with a marginal hand for pot odds I'm trying to hit two pair or better, nothing less. You even had position on everyone but the raiser. I think I would've dumped the hand on the flop, however.
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Postby Rhound50 » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:57 pm

Another suggestion for you playin B&M, get a seat change at the first possibilty. Playing in front of the LAG is a horrible spot to be. Wait for the first available seat on the other side of him and take it. I'd probably say somthing like "This seat is getting cold". So it doesn't tip him off that you are moving to be in better positon vs him.
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Postby eliteprodigy » Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:43 pm

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