Help with Odds stuff

[TheZodiac]

First, I love playing Poker but suck at math and poker odds stuff. I want to improve this side of my game, Is there a program I can use or a chart avail????

I played this hand @ Party and the loser (A.Magi) gave me grief for a bad call. I believed I had enough outs to make the call but he said the odds were wrong, can someone coach me on this hand did I misplay this badly?

Thanks

***** Hand History for Game 3335800028 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 19008311) - Sun Jan 08 11:20:06 EST 2006
Table Multi-Table(563536) Table 9 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Sporty1981 (2005)
Seat 2: TheZZodiac (1175)
Seat 3: bigwly83 (1140)
Seat 4: stageguy1940 (1075)
Seat 5: blackdove (1635)
Seat 6: Paellla (1590)
Seat 7: A_Magi (3835)
Seat 8: twodog185 (1515)
Seat 9: bullishinlax (1455)
Seat 10: duwadiddy (1455)
stageguy1940 posts small blind (15)
blackdove posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheZZodiac [ 5c, 6c ]
Paellla folds.
A_Magi calls (30)
twodog185 folds.
bullishinlax folds.
duwadiddy folds.
Sporty1981 folds.
TheZZodiac calls (30)
bigwly83 folds.
stageguy1940 calls (15)
blackdove checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7c, Js, 3s ]
stageguy1940 checks.
blackdove bets (30)
A_Magi calls (30)
TheZZodiac calls (30)
stageguy1940 calls (30)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
stageguy1940 checks.
blackdove checks.
A_Magi bets (175)
TheZZodiac calls (175)
stageguy1940 folds.
blackdove folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 8c ]
A_Magi bets (250)
TheZZodiac calls (250)
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1090
Board: [ 7c Js 3s Qc 8c ]
Sporty1981 balance 2005, didn't bet (folded)
TheZZodiac balance 1780, bet 485, collected 1090, net +605 [ 5c 6c ] [ a flush, queen high -- Qc,8c,7c,6c,5c ]
bigwly83 balance 1140, didn't bet (folded)
stageguy1940 balance 1015, lost 60 (folded)
blackdove balance 1575, lost 60 (folded)
Paellla balance 1590, didn't bet (folded)
A_Magi balance 3350, lost 485 [ Qd 7d ] [ two pairs, queens and sevens -- Qd,Qc,Js,7d,7c ]
twodog185 balance 1515, didn't bet (folded)
bullishinlax balance 1455, didn't bet (folded)
duwadiddy balance 1455, didn't bet (folded)

[striker2550]

[laynegt]

[T-Rod]

Two Points:

1) On the turn the pot is 240 and the bet by Amagi is 175. So the pot is 240+175= 415 and its 175 for you to call. Thats pot odds of 2.3:1 (which is 415/175).

You have 9 flush outs (9 clubs left in the deck) and 4 straight outs (the 4 fours left in the deck). But one of the 4s is the 4[c] so its already counted in the 9 flush outs. Total outs left are 9+4-1 or 12 outs. 12 outs are a 2.8:1 odds to hit with 1 card left.

So the pot is laying you 2.3:1 but your odds of hitting are 2.8:1 so NO you don't have pure pot odds to call. You want your chance of hitting to be greater than the odds the pot is laying you.

2)However, there are implied odds. That's how much you can win of you opponent's stack if you hit your hand. You're not just winning the pot as it is when you call his bet, you have the chance to raise with a winning hand and take more money. As you played it, you didn't raise.

With implied odds, I'd say you are pretty close to even to call or fold. However, if you are going to call, YOU HAVE TO RAISE to make it worth your while. In the hand, you hit your backdoor flush (hard for him to give you credit for) and you just called his raise on the river. You have to raise there. I might even push there. You have a monster hand thats fairly well hidden and your opponent seems content to fire away on each street. Raise.

Hope this helps.

Tim

[TheZodiac]

[T-Rod]