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Postby kennyg » Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:48 pm

Prima .50/1.00 NL $100 max
I have $100..so do both of my opponents.

Dealt [4h][4s] UTG. It's my last hand of the night session. I limp. UTG+3 makes it's $4 to go. Bunch of people call.

FLOP $16.50
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I set! yay! I check. Preflop raiser bets $10. Button now raises to $20. It's back to me.

What do I do here?

I thought about slow calling this...but I figured since I would be calling a bet AND a raise...both players would identify me as a set. I think that was illogical and i've giving too much credit to the players.

So anyway, I raised to $40 and both players folded. haha..they def. knew I had a set now.

I played this badly.

comments, suggestions?? I should have just lead into the raiser on the flop I think ;-)
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Postby Danhdan » Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:05 pm

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Postby kennyg » Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:41 pm

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Postby Acesinit » Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:17 pm

Well when you checked, were you planning on check raising? I dont think you can just flat call with the obvious draws out there. Nothin you can do but reraise I would think. Its not like you won a terrible pot...
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Postby Dumb Snowman » Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:31 pm

I don't think theyre's anything wrong with your play. You checked planning to check-raise, and those bets look like at least one of them are on a draw, might as well reraise, as it's a very coordinated board. Leading out would have been fine, though. But calling right now is, in my opinion, not the right play.
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Postby Stapher » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:14 pm

Kenny,

This reraise was a good play in my opinion. You weren't nutted so slow playing might not be the best thing with this board. Also, usually if there is a raise and reraise out there, one of the two raisers will call your reraise. This pot was a good size and you should be happy you won. Have a nice day :D
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Postby Skelt » Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:26 pm

I don't think that by calling the raise there you are announcing that you have a set. Assuming that the players you are against are "thinking"(which I don't think most truely are) they could just as easily put you on a range of hands such as: Axofdimes..89,9T, or 8-10 of dimes...56 etc. etc. Keep in mind that if they are putting you on hands, the majority of players put you on hands that they could conceivably have in your spot. These are also hands that they can beat, makeing hands like AJ,QQ, even KJ look for more attractive.

Haveing said that, it seems to me the raise MIGHT have been a little bit overboard. In the end this seems like a situation where the raise is more likely to win you the pot now, where by calling you give yourself a chance to win a bigger pot. By calling however you are makeing it easier to be drawn out on.

Not I situation I would want to be in, but I don't think you should just assume you played it badly. The raise by the button just put you in a tricky spot.


And I agree with you that you should have led into the raiser :wink:


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Postby Danhdan » Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:28 am

I really think that your check-reraise screams a monster hand . They both realized it too and folded whatever crappy draws they were holding...which might of just been plays for the pot against each other thinking you were going to be folding to any bet. I don't think you have to worry about getting too much out of your opponents here...if either had a hand that was strong enough, they would have stayed in...this might be on of those rare moments where you had such a powerhouse compared to your opponents, that they had no choice but to fold.

Showing no fear in the face of a bet and raise along with checkraising screams "I've got the hand!"...people are bound to get out of the way.
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Postby briachek » Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:17 pm

I wouldn't like flat calling out of position. If you were in postion, I would possibly flat call because I knew I would get a bet in on the turn. You may check, looking to check raise on turn and it could check around as both the raiser might have tried to get a free card or didn't like the turn card when it fell. I would have led out for about $10 on the flop and go from there. This may have gotten you less money in this hand, but I think its often a more deceptive and profitable move. Obviously, I have no problem with mixing up the play a little by checking it but usually it doesn't matter online.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:01 am

Ok, having read everybody else's response, I've got an easier time of it. :)

Having not bet out, you had little choice but to reraise, which did indeed cost you some money. I put the first raiser on AQ or some kind of draw and the button on a pocket pair. I agree the board is coordinated, but I don't put either of them on a draw to the board, esp since they folded.

If you had bet out, you might have been showing something like A-T for a TPTK and should have at least one caller, then smack them on the turn depending on the turn card. It would have disguised the set, I think. When you check/raised, they correctly saw you had a big hand and correctly folded.

I rarely slow play, although I am not as aggressive with sets. I slowplayed a full house yesterday, but one of my opponents sniffed it out and folded the river. I would have made them pay a high price for seeing the river card, had I not had the boat on the turn.

Shoulda bet. Since you didn't, reraising was correct, imho. But what do I know. I don't play at such a lofty altitude.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:54 am

Basically agree. Should really lead out, but you certainly can't give a free card on that board, so you can't do 'owt but re-raise.
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