who got trapped here?

[Kuso]

$200plo8... playing with a few people who REALLY like to chase lows and don't mind getting quartered. i bought in for half a stack, as the 200s can get a little wild for my tastes.

OMAHA HI/LO POT LIMIT ($1/$2)
Table 'Klytia II' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($114.50 in chips)
Seat 2: alifaith ($144.10 in chips)
Seat 3: YaraYara ($134.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Aamigo ($218.10 in chips)
Seat 6: nypokerkid ($235.55 in chips)
Seat 7: 520ranger ($78 in chips)
Seat 9: Randy1987 ($137.55 in chips)
alifaith: posts small blind $1
YaraYara: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero
Aamigo: folds
nypokerkid: folds
520ranger: calls $2
Randy1987: folds
itohg: calls $2
alifaith: calls $1
YaraYara: checks

*** FLOP ***
alifaith: checks
YaraYara: bets $4
520ranger: folds
itohg: calls $4

I thought about raising, but I wanted to see a non-wheel non-club card on the turn before I committed myself.

alifaith: calls $4

*** TURN ***
alifaith: checks
YaraYara: checks
itohg: bets $19.05

OK, I might be able to catch two lows getting greedy.

alifaith: calls $19.05
YaraYara: calls $19.05

*** RIVER ***
alifaith: checks
YaraYara: checks
itohg: bets $74.15

Pretty happy... I only lose to AA... let's jam.

alifaith: calls $74.15
YaraYara: raises $35.25 to $109.40 and is all-in
itohg: calls $15.30 and is all-in
alifaith: calls $35.25

*** SHOW DOWN ***
YaraYara: shows (HI: three of a kind, Aces)

Are you kidding me?

alifaith: shows [Jc 3d 5c 4d] (HI: high card Ace; LO: 6,4,3,2,A)
YaraYara collected $19.95 from side pot
alifaith collected $19.95 from side pot
itohg: mucks hand
YaraYara collected $171.25 from main pot
alifaith collected $171.25 from main pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $385.40 Main pot $342.50. Side pot $39.90. | Rake $3
Board [Ac 2h Kc 6s 9d]
Seat 1: Hero (button) mucked [2d Kd Jd Ks]
Seat 2: alifaith (small blind) showed [Jc 3d 5c 4d] and won ($191.20) with HI: high card Ace; LO: 6,4,3,2,A
Seat 3: YaraYara (big blind) showed [Ah 8c Js Ad] and won ($191.20) with HI: three of a kind, Aces
Seat 5: Aamigo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: nypokerkid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 520ranger folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Randy1987 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Is there anyway I don't get stacked here? I mean... should I really be so weak-tight as to check behind without the stone-cold nuts here?

[Cactus Jack]

[Kuso]

[Kuso]

ok... thinking about this hand a lot today.

what about checking behind on the turn? even if i am certain that no one has aces, there are still only 16 of 44 safe cards on the river to take half the pot. if a non-safe card hits, i'll have no idea if the bettor is betting the low or the nut high and either have to fold or make the crying call. is this too weak-tight, or is it good poker at these levels?

even if a safe card hits, do i try to get it all in the middle or do i try to showdown cheaply in fear of aces?

[Cactus Jack]

[Xaston]

What did I tell you about folding pre flop with high only hands in PLO8?

[Kuso]

[GooperMC]

I really don't like the turn play. Yes it is likely there are two lows fighting it out, but if there are then they are both free rolling you for the high.

Some twodimes numbers:

3 way
pokenum -o8 kd 2d jd ks - 3d 5d 7c 8h - 3c 4c ad 2s -- ac 2h kc 6s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 36 enumerated boards containing 6s Ac Kc 2h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks Kd Jd 2d 0 23 13 0 0 0 0 0.319
7c 5d 3d 8h 3 3 33 0 3 33 0 0.083
2s 4c 3c Ad 10 10 26 0 33 3 0 0.597

HU
pokenum -o8 kd 2d jd ks - 3d 5d 7c 8h -- ac 2h kc 6s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing 6s Ac Kc 2h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks Kd Jd 2d 0 36 4 0 0 0 0 0.450
7c 5d 3d 8h 4 4 36 0 40 0 0 0.550

pokenum -o8 kd 2d jd ks - 2s 4c 3c ad -- ac 2h kc 6s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing 6s Ac Kc 2h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks Kd Jd 2d 0 28 12 0 0 0 0 0.350
2s 4c 3c Ad 12 12 28 0 40 0 0 0.650


I never like playing for 1/2 the pot unless you have the immortal nuts, there is too large a chance that you are getting free-rolled. It seems like you are risking a lot to win a little.

[Kuso]

[Felonius_Monk]

[Kuso]