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Postby GooperMC » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:34 pm

Game #1683424354: Omaha H/L PL ($0.50/$1) - 2006/02/09 - 02:42:34 (UK)
Table "Hambur" Seat 7 is the button.
Seat 1: thepubman ($17.43 in chips)
Seat 2: Beer123 ($93.88 in chips)
Seat 3: Chas420 ($157.87 in chips)
Seat 4: rzrbackfn ($24.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Wulffi ($126.14 in chips)
Seat 6: PkrMaven ($61.90 in chips)
Seat 7: azmike22 ($18.50 in chips)
Seat 8: _LAB_ ($135.61 in chips)
Seat 9: BuggyBot ($94.75 in chips)
Seat 10: clabbers4 ($13.50 in chips)
_LAB_: posts small blind $0.50
BuggyBot: posts big blind $1

----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to BuggyBot [5s] [Ad] [8d] [2s]
clabbers4: folds
thepubman: calls $1
Beer123: folds
Chas420: folds
rzrbackfn: calls $1
Wulffi: calls $1
PkrMaven: folds
azmike22: folds
_LAB_: calls $0.50
BuggyBot: checks

----- FLOP ----- [4c] [7h] [9h]
_LAB_: checks
BuggyBot: checks
thepubman: bets $5
rzrbackfn: folds
Wulffi: folds
_LAB_: calls $5
BuggyBot: calls $5

Gut-shot + nut low draw with some protection. This isn't the part I love, in fact this is close to marginal.

----- TURN ----- [4c] [7h] [9h] [Tc]
_LAB_: checks
BuggyBot: checks
thepubman: checks

OK, so I missed everything time to check fold ... but wait .. he didn't bet.

----- RIVER ----- [4c] [7h] [9h] [Tc] [Kc]
_LAB_: checks
BuggyBot: bets $10
thepubman: folds
_LAB_: folds

Wow that was a total brick. There is almost nothing he could have bet on the flop that the K could have hit. Time to push him off whatever draw he was on.



I make this play 3-4 times a session and my success ratio is above 75%. It is one of the main reasons I can make a little money (or at least break even) without hitting any cards.

A couple of caveats
- I never make this play without a little bit of a read. Your opponent has to know how to fold.
- I never make this play at the $25 tables, see folding above.
- I only bet ½ the pot so I only need 1:3 success ratio
- I also value bet ½ pot on the river.
- I usually do this IP when checked to on the river (damn, now on Saturday everyone is going to CR me on the river ;))

Anyone else frequently make this play?
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Postby JDLush » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:42 pm

I like the play too. I call it a bluff.

Add on that you can never, ever, make it when there is a made low on the board.

:D
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Postby GooperMC » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:04 pm

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Postby JDLush » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:35 am

Crap, the smiley was supposed to be after the first line. :D

I am a big fan of the 1/2 to 2/3 pot bets myself, mainly for the same reason - bluffs cost half as much to pull off. It also puts less pressure on you when your continuation bets get raised on a flop that didn't quite hit you as well as you'd hope. Of course, like any play outside the ABC zone, you have to know your audience and it definitely helps to have previously shown down slow to medium-playing of the nuts.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:04 pm

The Monkman J[c]

"Informer, you no say daddy me snow me Ill go blame,
A licky boom boom down.
Detective mon said daddy me snow me stab someone down the lane,
A licky boom boom down." - Snow, 1993
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Postby GooperMC » Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:46 pm

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:56 pm

The Monkman J[c]

"Informer, you no say daddy me snow me Ill go blame,
A licky boom boom down.
Detective mon said daddy me snow me stab someone down the lane,
A licky boom boom down." - Snow, 1993
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