He he he....sometimes I love this game

[JDLush]

Been on the table for about 45 minutes, not much action tho. Had a few good draws that didn't pan out. Table is a bit on the tight side for the most part, with the exception of this hand.

***** Hand History for Game 3525310492 *****
$50 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Thursday, February 09, 22:08:10 EDT 2006
Table Table 64715 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: ( $39.74 )
Seat 5: ( $17.15 )
Seat 8: hero ( $58.82 )
Seat 9: dipshit ( $132.39 )
Seat 10: ( $27.99 )
Seat 3: ( $37.87 )
Seat 1: ( $117.88 )
Seat 7: ( $77 )
Seat 2: ( $49 )
Seat 6: ( $49.50 )
dipshit posts small blind [$0.25].
seat 10 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Qc Kh Ac 7h ]
seat1calls [$0.50].
seat2 calls [$0.50].
seat3 folds.
seat4 folds.
seat5 calls [$0.50].
seat6 folds.
seat7 folds.
hero calls [$0.50].
dipshit calls [$0.25].
seat10 raises [$3].
seat1 folds.
seat2 calls [$3].
seat5 calls [$3].
hero calls [$3].
dipshit calls [$3].

In position, I think this is a must call, and a raise from a small stacked bb is almost better for me - if I hit there will be more dead money in the pot to get a big piece of my stack in on.

** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 7d, Js ]
dipshit bets [$17.10].
seat 10 is all-In [$24.49]
seat2 folds.
seat5 folds.
hero is all-In [$55.32]
dipshit calls [$38.22].

Ok, I really can't ask for a much better flop (well, I could, but this one is pretty good for me). I have a 13 out nut str8 draw and bottom pair (which shouldn't be discounted, if someone has AA and bricks I can take this by hitting one of 9 outs for 2 pr). The board is rainbow and you could even throw in the backdoor flush draw for shits and giggles. I originally thought about flatcalling the flop but figured there's a small chance I can get the SB to fold if he was just trying to steal. He calls, however.

** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]

Boo yaa, worst case I need to avoid another diamond, and I pick up a boat draw.

** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]

At first I was not happy to see this, since I had to assume somebody had AA. However......

dipshit shows [ 8c, 9c, 3s, 2c ] a straight, seven to jack.
seat 10 shows [ 5s, Qh, Ks, Kd ] a straight, ten to ace.
hero shows [ Qc, Kh, Ac, 7h ] a full house, Sevens full of aces.
hero wins $61.66 from side pot #1 with a full house, Sevens full of aces.
hero wins $88.47 from the main pot with a full house, Sevens full of aces.
There was no qualifying low hand.

Seat 10 had a few of my outs, so I didn't have as much equity as I thought (I haven't run the hands through to see where I was after the flop).

Then the fun begins in the chat box:

dipshit: whataa moron
Hero: yeah, you shoulda never called that
dipshit: u know whats coming u f ing idiot?
Hero: lemme guess, more of your chips?
dipshit: ur f ing stupid 2 make that call unless u know whats coming
dipshit: i think ur moron
Hero: and get it right, kid, i made a raise not a call
dipshit: top pair w no draw?
Hero: lol, no, bottom pair with 13 out wrap nut str8 draw
dipshit: i had nut staight moron
Hero: so did i, genius, but i had a redraw
Hero: (after the turn, that is)
dipshit: u had nuts on flop idiot"
Hero: of course not, but unfortunately for you, we play to the river in this game
dipshit: never saw 89 in your hand
Hero: and its the best hand on the river that you should shoot for (if you dont mind some simple advice)
dipshit: u stupid
Hero: got that right, i would have folded 89 if thats all i had
Seat 4: HEY GUYS. TRY TO BE A LITTLE NICE TO EACH OTHER.
dipshit: keep playing that way boy lol

[teknipper]

[Kuso]

[GooperMC]

[JDLush]

[GooperMC]

I think this hand is a tough one. I think you made a couple of "mistakes" however they weren't major and I think that I would have made them too.

Pre-flop
I probably fold to the raise. I am going to be in the minority but I don’t like high only hands for a raise (unless they are massive, or I am the one doing the raising). My question for you is what does it take for you to continue? Will you call a pot bet with an OESD? Top two?

I think the call may be slightly +EV in the very long run but it will also be high variance and I now have a healthy respect for how –EV variance can be. The call is high variance not because of the call itself but, because on the flop it is going to put you in tough positions in large pots.

Flop
This really sucks. Unless dipshit is a total donk you have to put him on the made str8 beacuse he didn’t raise pre-flop and he lead into a very large field on a scary board. Now the PFR decides to get involved. This could be a donk overplaying AA but that would be a seriously donky move, it could be a set looking to fill up, it could be the made str8 (unlikely) and it could be the same high wrap that you have. In all cases I think you are done for.

With a scary board and two opponents who like their hands (unless they are total donks), I don’t think you can be a significant equity favorite.

That being said, in the heat of battle I don’t think I could lay this down either. However, after this discussion I may be able to so thanks for posting this hand.

[Kuso]

i find these hands to be tricky. dipshit didn't raise pf, so you can't really say it's an AA bet on the flop. as such, he probably has a set, made str8, or the same draw.

but when seat 10 pushes all-in, too, you've got to be worried. first, even if you don't assume that either of them have a made hand, you've got to assume that several of your outs are in the villains' collective hands. this is, in fact, what ended up happening.

if there was just one villain, i would be more inclined to gamboool, but against two people who like their hands with no low draw... yuck.

fwiw, i've really been giving a lot of thought to playing three-way hands lately. i've found that if two people REALLY like their hands, i need a TON of outs before i continue because a lot of them probably aren't clean or all the redraws are covered. i rarely regret folding in situations like this. i usually find that calling or pushing was more or less ev neutral when i run the numbers.

i'll avoid the variance, thank you very much.


there are exceptions if donks are one of the two pushing, but that's really a different topic.