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Should I have folded when getting freerolled?

Postby Kuso » Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:37 am

No read no stats on villain. My only info is that he's sitting on a double stack -- that could mean he's good or that he's a lucky donkey.

POKERSTARS OMAHA HI/LO POT LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50)
Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: checkchecks ($52.50 in chips)
Seat 2: TILTOMATIC ($62.95 in chips)
Seat 3: Griz/Mouse ($23.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($50.70 in chips)
Seat 5: rtink2004 ($16.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Poppy42 ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 7: LaDama ($26.90 in chips)
Seat 8: bkkdude ($61 in chips)
Seat 9: ZimArt.org ($101.20 in chips)
Griz/Mouse: posts small blind $0.25
Hero: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ts] [Qd] [Kh] [Ks]
rtink2004: folds
Poppy42: calls $0.50
LaDama: calls $0.50
bkkdude: folds
ZimArt.org: calls $0.50
checkchecks: folds
TILTOMATIC: calls $0.50
Griz/Mouse: calls $0.25
Hero: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc] [2h] [As]
Griz/Mouse: bets $1.50
Hero: calls $1.50
Poppy42: calls $1.50
LaDama: calls $1.50
rtink2004 leaves the table
ZimArt.org: calls $1.50
TILTOMATIC: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Jc] [2h] [As] [Tc]
Griz/Mouse: checks
Hero: bets $11.45
Poppy42: folds
LaDama: folds
Poppy42 leaves the table
ZimArt.org: raises $34.35 to $45.80
TILTOMATIC: folds
Griz/Mouse: folds
Hero: calls $34.35
*** RIVER *** [Jc] [2h] [As] [Tc] [9c]
Hero: bets $2.90 and is all-in
ZimArt.org: calls $2.90
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Ts Qd Kh Ks] (HI: a straight, Ten to Ace)
ZimArt.org: shows [5h Qc Kc Qs] (HI: a straight flush, Nine to King)
ZimArt.org collected $106.40 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $109.40 | Rake $3
Board [Jc] [2h] [As] [Tc] [9c]
Seat 1: checkchecks folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TILTOMATIC (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: Griz/Mouse (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: Hero (big blind) showed [Ts] [Qd] [Kh] [Ks] and lost with HI: a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 5: rtink2004 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Poppy42 folded on the Turn
Seat 7: LaDama folded on the Turn
Seat 8: bkkdude folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ZimArt.org showed [5h] [Qc] [Kc] [Qs] and won ($106.40) with HI: a straight flush, Nine to King


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1543652
pokenum -o8 [Ts] [Qd] [Kh] [Ks] - [5h] [Qc] [Kc] [Qs] -- [Jc] [2h] [As] [Tc]
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing As Jc Tc 2h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
[Ks] [Ts] [Qd] [Kh] 0 0 9 31 0 0 0 0.388
[Qs] [Kc] [Qc] [5h] 9 9 0 31 0 0 0 0.613


It's basically a $37 call (my stack) for $41 of equity (or thereabouts). So even with his cards up, I should theoretically call this. Is that correct?

My thoughts were that he could be pimping a flush and/or low draw or might just be one of those guys that doesn't realize that he's going to split the pot. I felt like a donkey when the club hit, but I'm not really sure that I was wrong to call. Does anyone lay this down? If not, what conditions need to change before you consider laying down?

FWIW, dude actually apologized when I commented "Nice freeroll" (with no sarcasm). Seems nice enough. I had a chance to get a lot of money back when I rivered a wheel in a later hand, but he intelligently laid down his set. Any info on this guy? I'll keep my eyes on him regardless.


Equity for a low freeroll

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1543659
pokenum -o8 ts qd kh ks - 3h 4c kd qs -- jc 2h as tc
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing As Jc Tc 2h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks Ts Qd Kh 0 0 0 40 0 0 0 0.400
Qs 4c Kd 3h 0 0 0 40 16 0 0 0.600


Equity for low and flush freeroll (the only hand against which I should definitely fold due to inadequate equity).

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1543660
pokenum -o8 ts qd kh ks - 3c 4c kd qs -- jc 2h as tc
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing As Jc Tc 2h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks Ts Qd Kh 0 0 9 31 0 0 0 0.312
Qs 4c 3c Kd 9 9 0 31 16 0 0 0.688
wwcrd?

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Postby TomG » Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:39 am

I can't fault either of you for the way you played the hand. ZimArt.org's flop call was a little thin, but he is getting decent odds in good position. On the turn, you should also consider the fact that you are holding KK blockers. Of course, blockers don't necessarily block anything but it would give me a little more confidence when I bet. Even after the raise, I don't think you can fold the turn, though. You'll just have to brace yourself and call and/or push and hope for the best.

After the hand, instead of saying, "Nice freeroll" I get more entertainment value out of playing dumb saying stuff like, "nice suckout. you raised me on a king high flush draw??."
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:28 pm

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