Briachek tries som PLO8

[briachek]

50e PLO8 on Martins. I played this since all the plo tables sucked and this was open.

4th hand

dutchsan (EUR 50,50 in seat 2)
briachek (EUR 50,00 in seat 4)
nenoneno (EUR 43,05 in seat 5)
Sydan (EUR 28,50 in seat 6)
holdemskib (EUR 7,35 in seat 7)

Dealer: Sydan
Small Blind: holdemskib (0,25)
Big Blind: dutchsan (0,50)

briachek was dealt: As - 7d - Td - 2s

briachek Raise (1,75)
nenoneno Call (1,75)
Sydan Call (1,75)
holdemskib Fold
dutchsan Fold

Flop 9d - Js - Ks

briachek Bet (6,00)
nenoneno Raise (12,00)
Sydan All-In (26,75)
briachek All-In (42,25)
nenoneno All-In (29,30)
briachek Payback (6,95)

Only read is that nenoneno chased a 45 gutshot wheel low on a previous hand and hit against my set of aces. Sydan chased a 2nd to nut flush on the same hand to win the high.

I know i'm behind obviously but figure i got enough outs 3 ways to just go for it. Thoughts?

[GooperMC]

Pre-flop
Monk and I disagree about this but I don't like raising A2s OOP.

Flop
Unless you think you have some fold equity this is a clear check. After everyone goes nuts I think you have to buckle up and go on a variance ride.

[briachek]

no raise even in a 5 handed game?

[TomG]

I pretty much never raise UTG. Shorthanded like this, I suppose it's okay to mix it up a bit, though, so either way is fine.

With this flop, the game pretty much becomes PLO since there won't be a low to consider. The only difference is that in general it's more likely your opponents hold lower cards than in regular PLO. It's a decent flop for you, but not a hand I generally want to go to war with on the flop. So I would check and evaluate the odds and implied odds the opponents are offering based upon the action.

Calling a three-way push, it's probably close. You probably hold less than your fair share of equity, but the pot odds are beckoning. Folding would be okay, but calling probably isn't a big mistake either. Let's see some twodimes!

[briachek]

[GooperMC]

[JDLush]

[TomG]

Those are some interesting equity #s. You're doing a lot better than I expected. It appears that even in the close to worst case situation you still are doing okay and there's a lot of room to have very strong equity. I think the part that confused me is that heads-up you're almost surely a dog, but in a 3-way pot your draw does very well.

[Drade]

It's because in this case, he's got a double gutter with either an 8 or a Q giving him straight outs. Normally, with this kind of action on this board, you're going to have a set and the Q-10 nuts leaving him with far less equity.

[GooperMC]

[briachek]

[JDLush]

It's interesting that even if you give one guy top set and the other a made str8, Bri probably has odds to call:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1546277
pokenum -o8 as 2s td 7d - kc kd 3s 5h - qc tc 7h 6s -- ks js 9d
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 666 enumerated boards containing Ks Js 9d
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 2s Td 7d 208 208 453 5 0 0 0 0.316
3s Kc Kd 5h 262 262 404 0 0 0 0 0.393
6s Qc Tc 7h 191 191 470 5 0 0 0 0.291

I put 2 spades out in the other 2 hands, which is probably a good normal guess. I am amazed that the set has higher equity than the made str8 at this point. Granted, the str8 can't improve, but are the odds that good that the board will pair? I guess so...

I also would never include an 8 as one of my possible outs in a case like this. You almost always will have somebody holding the made str8 with this much action. The fact that there wasn't was just plain weird. Quite the juicy table if you ask me.

Goop, who has a pfr% of 25, and why aren't they broke yet?

Bri, as it was very early in the session then the raise has some definite merits. I know I would pop a chubby if I saw a guy sit down and raise that kind of hand UTG. Follow it up with some ABC and trappy play and you can do well. I still think that always raising a hand like that is a -EV move, but as Gooper said, there is more than one way to scale a fish.

[briachek]

well i ended my session pretty much after this hand, losing 1.5 buy ins in 4-5 hands.

Lost about half when i flopped a set of aces and was run out by 34 for gutshot wheel and Q2s for a flush, both on the river.

[Felonius_Monk]

I raise that every time, but I like raisin'

And yeah, it's hard to see a way you don't have odds here on the flop. I'd usually estimate about 30% or so equity, although that said it might be better to call on the flop, depending on your read on neno. If he has a set you might just wish to fold the turn if it pairs, but I guess usually you're to the felt. If that 9 becomes an 8 on the flop, pushing is likely much better as your 3-way equity is liable to be minimum 35-40%.

[GooperMC]